As far as I know, the car that BelgiumBarry has is one of the Shelby cars. If I am wrong, please correct me. That was my understanding.
My car is perhaps not one off THE Shelby cars as discussed here... it was imported by Shelby with 2 others and sold in januari '86 , from which we have that document.
I have the second "performance" engine build by Amerisport , # ASO 0002 .
I have the second "performance" engine build by Amerisport , # ASO 0002 .
If you look at past history of Shelby, he (they) always were in batches of three, whether for race cars or for special projects.
Sounds like yours is one of three, which is what I suspect, and yours was never used for the project.
There was commentary that indicated the cars were sent to Amerisport for "legalization".
Kirk Evans, I'm sure would have the specifics on them since he is Amerisport.
Hopefully he will chime in on what he knows about them?
Sounds like yours is one of three, which is what I suspect, and yours was never used for the project.
There was commentary that indicated the cars were sent to Amerisport for "legalization".
Kirk Evans, I'm sure would have the specifics on them since he is Amerisport.
Hopefully he will chime in on what he knows about them?
Couple more "Shelby Panteras"...
These two Panteras were sitting in Shelby's Gardena warehouse back in 2005 when SAAC did their "Magical Mystery Tour" by bus to visit most of the locations where Shelby worked his magic in SoCal back in the sixties.
These two Panteras were sitting in Shelby's Gardena warehouse back in 2005 when SAAC did their "Magical Mystery Tour" by bus to visit most of the locations where Shelby worked his magic in SoCal back in the sixties.
No Pentstars on them.
No one has mentioned that they own the white one yet.
One owner in New Zealand claims to have one right now and BelgiumBarry has documentation with his car that shows Shelby ownership.
We know there were at least two and now sounds like a third.
Kirk Evans had the cars shipped to him for US certification.
I don't remember him posting about them but at this point he could add quite a bit to the picture.
The magazine article being in black and white I think was showing a red car.
There were lots of red Panteras made.
I suppose much of the fun is doing detective work of something like this.
It's difficult to get information on Panteras and even more so on Mangustas.
I don't know if anyone has numbers on this but it would appear that only something like 1 or 2% of owners participate in places like this Forum which leaves the vast majority of cars as unknowns that occasionally get recognized by other Detomaso enthusiasts.
I would think that SAAC has got to be one of the most successful at finding the cars but consider the length of the time period involved and even so a large percentage of cars documented in the various registries have not been updated in 30 years by current owners.
It's a little like looking at distant stars in the sky.
A star that is 100 light years away could have exploded 99 years ago and we wouldn't know it yet since we are looking at light that was there 100 years ago.
Maybe those stars are just ancient history and don't exist any more?
No one has mentioned that they own the white one yet.
One owner in New Zealand claims to have one right now and BelgiumBarry has documentation with his car that shows Shelby ownership.
We know there were at least two and now sounds like a third.
Kirk Evans had the cars shipped to him for US certification.
I don't remember him posting about them but at this point he could add quite a bit to the picture.
The magazine article being in black and white I think was showing a red car.
There were lots of red Panteras made.
I suppose much of the fun is doing detective work of something like this.
It's difficult to get information on Panteras and even more so on Mangustas.
I don't know if anyone has numbers on this but it would appear that only something like 1 or 2% of owners participate in places like this Forum which leaves the vast majority of cars as unknowns that occasionally get recognized by other Detomaso enthusiasts.
I would think that SAAC has got to be one of the most successful at finding the cars but consider the length of the time period involved and even so a large percentage of cars documented in the various registries have not been updated in 30 years by current owners.
It's a little like looking at distant stars in the sky.
A star that is 100 light years away could have exploded 99 years ago and we wouldn't know it yet since we are looking at light that was there 100 years ago.
Maybe those stars are just ancient history and don't exist any more?
Just saw this post---I am not on line that much with my family comments. I know of 6 Shelby Panteras because came through the AmeriSport shop. I rode in the red turb car in California. I took his driver for a ride in my twin turbo S and he took me for a ride in the 340 car. They had a 1/8 mile strip on side in Gardena I think. Lets say the 340 ride was an experience I will never forget.
I will post more details later---back to work.
I will post more details later---back to work.
Hi All, I was the owner of this vehicle and can fill in some of the blanks about the UK importation and engine build.. I lost the car due to the failings of Jim Gordon the "expert" from East Anglia who assembled it "badly" for me. He got into an argument with the garage owner where he was working due to non payment of storage fees etc. That person took the gearbox out and it took me a long time to get the remaining car back.. Paul I would be happy to tell you what I know if you want.. cheers all.
quote:Originally posted by Dondy:
Hello Gentlemen
This is my first posting being only new to the forum, I was prompted by CJ who informed me of chatter on the Shelby Pantera.
My knowledge on the subject is as follows,
There were two Pantera's were part of Mopar project, one of which was fitted with a 340 "A" series engine complete with aluminium cylinder heads and a twin turbo set up with assistance from Gale Banks Engineering. Induction is a draw through system via a Holley Carb through to the two turbo chargers to a water cooled intercooler mounted onto the manifold. The intercooler water is fan cooled in what was the a/c condenser.
Pending a decision on the future of the project, which was eventually shelved, the car was put into storage whilst the mountain of corporate paperwork was being filed, in the mean time Jim Hensen had spotted and acquired the car, some parts were removed and the car was shipped to England just prior to the order for it to be scrapped. The car was reassembled in a workshop in East Anglia, which is where purely by chance I first came across and drove it in the early 90's. In fact I was racing a mangusta at Snetterton and was in search of parts.
fast forward several years, the car reappeared less its transmission and some induction parts, however it did come with an almighty pile of paperwork on its life journey, I bought the car and went about reassembling it, I now reside in New Zealand and and still have the car in my possession.
The other car was in fact crushed as per government of the day requirements.
During the rebuild phase I was put in contact with Mr Shelby, who made time for me at a Coys Historic festival during the mid 90's, he generously filled in the gaps.
The car is currently in storage due to business commitments, however having recently assisted CJ in tuning his freshly rebuilt Pantera, fantastic job mate,
the itch has begun to return!
If anyone else has more to add I would be grateful to hear your input.
Great forum (and site in general) keep up the good work.
Cheers
Paul
Just a quick note in case we dont connect...I bought the car from california just before it got crushed. It was without motor. I spent a LOT of time getting the original spec engine remade including the W2 aluminium heads, dual cenreforce clutch and the Gale Banks turbo set up from his powerboat range. The turbos intercooler used the aircon rad to circulate keep the water cool. The aircon was obviously non existant.. The legendary Herb Mcandless did all the work and sent the finished beauty to me in North Carolina where we were finishing the filming of a Ninja Turtle film. At that time I was Project Supervisor for Jim Hensons Creature Shop in London..
quote:Originally posted by WP:
Hi All, I was the owner of this vehicle and can fill in some of the blanks about the UK importation and engine build.. I lost the car due to the failings of Jim Gordon the "expert" from East Anglia who assembled it "badly" for me. He got into an argument with the garage owner where he was working due to non payment of storage fees etc. That person took the gearbox out and it took me a long time to get the remaining car back.. Paul I would be happy to tell you what I know if you want.. cheers all.quote:Originally posted by Dondy:
Hello Gentlemen
This is my first posting being only new to the forum, I was prompted by CJ who informed me of chatter on the Shelby Pantera.
My knowledge on the subject is as follows,
There were two Pantera's were part of Mopar project, one of which was fitted with a 340 "A" series engine complete with aluminium cylinder heads and a twin turbo set up with assistance from Gale Banks Engineering. Induction is a draw through system via a Holley Carb through to the two turbo chargers to a water cooled intercooler mounted onto the manifold. The intercooler water is fan cooled in what was the a/c condenser.
Pending a decision on the future of the project, which was eventually shelved, the car was put into storage whilst the mountain of corporate paperwork was being filed, in the mean time Jim Hensen had spotted and acquired the car, some parts were removed and the car was shipped to England just prior to the order for it to be scrapped. The car was reassembled in a workshop in East Anglia, which is where purely by chance I first came across and drove it in the early 90's. In fact I was racing a mangusta at Snetterton and was in search of parts.
fast forward several years, the car reappeared less its transmission and some induction parts, however it did come with an almighty pile of paperwork on its life journey, I bought the car and went about reassembling it, I now reside in New Zealand and and still have the car in my possession.
The other car was in fact crushed as per government of the day requirements.
During the rebuild phase I was put in contact with Mr Shelby, who made time for me at a Coys Historic festival during the mid 90's, he generously filled in the gaps.
The car is currently in storage due to business commitments, however having recently assisted CJ in tuning his freshly rebuilt Pantera, fantastic job mate,
the itch has begun to return!
If anyone else has more to add I would be grateful to hear your input.
Great forum (and site in general) keep up the good work.
Cheers
Paul
I love this thread. 
Hi William
Your input into the history of this car pretty well matches up with the documentation that I have. Jim Gordon (couldn't remember his name)had the car when I visited his workshop in search of transmission parts for our race mangusta.
looking forward to further conversations when I speak to you
Cheers
Paul
Your input into the history of this car pretty well matches up with the documentation that I have. Jim Gordon (couldn't remember his name)had the car when I visited his workshop in search of transmission parts for our race mangusta.
looking forward to further conversations when I speak to you
Cheers
Paul
I love reading these stories - it seems there are so many of these cars that have just that little bit more of a story behind them than most other classic marques.
I know a part of the story behind mine and I'll get around eventually to hopefully filling the gaps in, but this one is fabulous!
I know a part of the story behind mine and I'll get around eventually to hopefully filling the gaps in, but this one is fabulous!
Michael,
Send me your vin # direct to my AmeriSport email and will look up the information I may have. All of the S cars, S bodies and one GTS went through my shop---have some great Shelby stories---he was a riot to talk to.
Kirk
Send me your vin # direct to my AmeriSport email and will look up the information I may have. All of the S cars, S bodies and one GTS went through my shop---have some great Shelby stories---he was a riot to talk to.
Kirk
Hey Kirk - Done!
Dondy - any chance of posting some photo's video's of your car?
Could you imagine being someone like Carroll / Tom who spend their lives "creating" things like Pantera's and all sorts of interesting cars - and being paid well for it as well as having their names kind of etched in to automotive history?
Dondy - any chance of posting some photo's video's of your car?
Could you imagine being someone like Carroll / Tom who spend their lives "creating" things like Pantera's and all sorts of interesting cars - and being paid well for it as well as having their names kind of etched in to automotive history?