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Some might recall that I started looking for a Pantera in the US a couple of months ago. Seen some really nice examples a bit out my league or with details I did not like. In the end I arrived by coincidence at Jim Cozzolino's place. He took his time going out of his way to look at a Pantera. After a couple of Pantera samples I decided to go with a more or less project car but with good mechanicals. So we found THPNLE01447 at Littleton Colorado.

It will not be wild when finished, but completely overhauled and with modern improvements (Wilwoods, better cooling, coil overs, new wheels…). On the outside I am trying to go for the clean and understated look that leaves all of the lines undisturbed.

I am hopeful work will start soon at Coz’ workshop so I can have it in Belgium in time for the Modena trip.

Again a big thanks to David, Mark, Husker, Accobra and Erik for general support and advice.

Michel

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Congratulations Michel!

I am glad you finally found "your" car. I'm sure that Jim will do a great job for you. If not, let me know and I'll send a team of Canadian Spies to haul him up north for some "treatments". Wink

But seriously, the car looks just like mine did when I first got her.

I am looking forward to following the progress and I hope that you and Jim will keep us all up-to-date with pictures and details.

Oh, and yeah, great colour! Big Grin



Mark

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Bravo Michel! applause

After all of your research, I am sure that #1447 has found an excellent home. Can't wait to see pix of the progress along the way ...

I have to agree with my Canadian brethren: you simply cannot go wrong with a white cat. All the money you would have spent on paint touch-ups can now be diverted to the power train!!!
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Your car is looking good! AND its the RIGHT color!


But the last photo is it going off to the paintshop.....no saying it's coming back that color.


Right on. I do like white but when stripping we discovered that it was original yellow...so guess what...

Michel
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Right on. I do like white but when stripping we discovered that it was original yellow...so guess what...

Eccellente! Just as God and Alejandro intended...


Exactly. That is why it will be painted "Yellow Ofcourse". It is just taking a bit longer then expected. I am looking forward to that drive from Jims place to the east coast.

Michel

01447 is dead. Yes you are reading that correctly. The soda blasting revealed terminal rust -funny enough only on the last 20% of the car at the inside back. Jim and myself have decided that she is not a worthy restoration candidate.
And this is good news for the Pantera world. The car has oddly enough all body panels/ glass and other hard to come by elements intact. They are sand or bead blasted and in some cases primed. All the stuff is disassembled and sometimes cleaned and at the workshop of Jim Cozzolino in Peoria Arizona. A perfect ZF and functional Cleveland is in there as well as well as Campagnolo's.
Drop me a mail at michel.vereeken@skynet.be and we will send you a detailed list of available parts at fair prices. Watch this space for the new project.

Michel

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The condition of the car that could not be seen until it was stripped and what had been done motor wise.

A previous owner covered up all the damage with body filler and paint in area's that would have been very hard if not impossible to find without the car being stripped first.

But as Michel stated, I am currently going through all the parts on the car, cleaning them up, getting them in working order and we will have many of the parts for sale.

You can also contact me to see what is available.

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Michel,
This is indeed a sad day, so many of us were following the restoration work with great anticipation for how the car would turn out. Frowner
It's disappointing to see all of the work on this one come to an end, so, unless there is someone out there who wants to buy everything and make the effort to restore it, parting it out seems like the best option.
If there's a silver lining, I've noticed that lately there seem to have been a number of very good looking cars show up at excellent prices, but you need to move fast as the best deals seem to go very quickly. And as you've seen, there's always someone on this forum willing to go out and help with an inspection.
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Yes a total bummer. Never had that and I have been around older cars for quite some time...these things happen I guess. Anyway; my Pantera dream is slowed down but not burried. I think 1447 can mean a lot to other Pantera owners.

And call me crazy but I want Coz to start on a new project. I want to see the car butt naked before going further. Unless ofcourse the right Pantera with absolute stunning pedigree and a Kazillion restoration photo's from last month happens to trot over my left foot....at the right price.

Michel
Michel, I think you are looking for 'La perle rare' (rare pearl - sound better in french) I know in theory the sum of the parts is more than the whole, but at the point you are now what is the additional % cost of repairing the rear part of the frame? Resto coast always exceed the original estimate. Seem to me a shame especially for an early car.

Denis
Hi Michel,
that is an enormous dissapointment, I am really gutted on your behalf. I think a number of us were looking at cars at the same time you bought that one and as was mentioned earler have been following this restoration with great interest. I just managed to pick up my dream car a couple of weeks ago and am hoping I don't find anything like what you have discovered. I hope you find something fantastic to replace this one.
Cheers, Tim.

This seems an appropriate time to again state what is obvious to most of us when looking at a Pantera for purchase:

DO A VERY COMPLETE, TIME CONSUMING INSPECTION - INSPECTION - INSPECTION

If you purchase a Pantera without getting it up on a lift and then spending at least fifteen minutes with a hammer and a center punch you are asking for trouble.

Yes, a hammer and a center punch. You are not going to tap around on a Pantera chassis with your pencil or your knuckles and find anything, especially if the seller is fraudulent and has tried to cover known defects. Bondo, paint and undercoating from Kragens can cover almost anything. But if you HIT THE BEJEZZUS out of frame sections, you'll find such camouflage.

On the other hand, the small impact point from a punch or awl will not leave any damage of any importance. Should the seller get bent out of shape, politely explain the real world - perhaps this example - and tell him YOU are not willing to repeat such a scenario.

Eastwood sells an overpriced magnet device that will give you some sort of an idea of paint/bondo thickness on painted areas:

http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump...799&itemType=PRODUCT

Another type of this magnet unit is the Spot Rot. I couldn't find a current selling listing for this - I bought one back in 2001 - but here is info:

Larry

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I think this scenario has terrified a good number of us. When the time comes to strip off the paint, what you thought was underneath is not there. On very rare occasions the seller is passing on a condition they knew nothing about, but the vast majority of times they know exactly what they are doing. I think people that do this should be criminally prosecuted! It puts a big black mark on the entire collector car hobby. Like everybody has said, keep your chin up. The "perfect" car for you is still out there.
Doug M

What does dead mean? I see some badly rusted areas, but I have not seen a part on this car which could not be fabricated.

The issue is how much has to be fabricated, weather you are going to do the fabrication yourself, or have some one else do it, how much time and money you have. This is not to say this is the best choice but it also means not all is lost if you can or wish to tackle it.

I only saw the one photo but the frame and the uprights them self are not to hard to repair. The issue I am guessing is most of the car is this way.

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nice work comp 2,

Your example of the fabrication possible should give everyone hope that nothing can be "pronounced dead" forever.


I know it's not everyone's cut of tee but I look around at the car and each individual piece looks like something we could all fabricate if we needed to. My problem with my car is some have done a poor job of repair and I am repairing repair jobs.

I am posting a number of after and before pictures for your enjoyment. We knew about the rust in front at radiator mount and suspected rust out back between headlights after inspection. We discounted that in our price.
Teh problem is in the inside wheel liners where it seems rust started between the inner and outer pannel.
Again, every else on this car is straight.
And yes I will take legal action against the seller for misrepresentation. Give him a sleepless night or two.

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I may be wrong, but my guess is that the link below is related to the fellow Michel bought his car from, and this may actually be the car itself (a yellow '71)

 http://roxboroughinfo.com/pantera.htm


Michel,
My hope would be that the seller will deal quickly and fairly with you in this situation to avoid damaging his reputation with future buyers.

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Originally posted by #5754:
I may be wrong, but my guess is that the link below is related to the fellow Michel bought his car from, and this may actually be the car itself (a yellow '71)

The article says that Keith has restored or refurbished over 165 cars and favors Panteras. So Will, I'd say 'yes' there are probably a few out there that Keith has worked on.


http://roxboroughinfo.com/pantera.htm


Michel,
My hope would be that as someone who restores and resells cars, Keith will deal quickly and fairly with you in this situation to avoid damaging his reputation with future buyers.


Thanks, indeed the same guy and probably car (I knew it was originally yellow).

Michel
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What does dead mean? I see some badly rusted areas, but I have not seen a part on this car which could not be fabricated.

The issue is how much has to be fabricated, weather you are going to do the fabrication yourself, or have some one else do it, how much time and money you have. This is not to say this is the best choice but it also means not all is lost if you can or wish to tackle it.

I only saw the one photo but the frame and the uprights them self are not to hard to repair. The issue I am guessing is most of the car is this way.



My hat off to you sir.

Michel

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Michel,

This is indeed sad to see and I like others here sympathize with your plight. I suppose it's a case of when to cut you losses which itself depends how much $$ you have in this car already and what you feel you can recoup by parting her out.

Even with the latest photo's I see a car that can be fixed, let's face it at least you know exactly what you are in for here. You could go out and be back in the same position in 6 months, even some of those cars at $50K you never really know what your purchasing unless there is a complete documented photographic restoration. If this car were rebuilt you would have piece of mind and know exactly what you have... the very best. Patch panels although time consuming are fairly easy to fabricate.

If you do decide to pass then a first attempt at selling the car whole rather than parting out piece by piece may be in order.

FWIW my '74 was a very solid car, had a few rust spots on the front valance, well when I stripped off all the bitumen I found more (or less car) than I bargained for and spent a couple months welding. It's always a roll of the dice.

Good luck,
Julian
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Here is one that is a little more telling of the guys character.


http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...820073754#7820073754

Weird though he makes these comments about not buying the car if he had done a better inspection originally, supposedly sells the car, then buys it back several months later in Oct 2007.......

Coz is right in what he stated!! I would like him to respond to these allegations but I doubt he is still on this forum.

Quoting the seller below, it's obvious his idea of fixing it was covering up the problems, which he did very well, and not fixing it at all.



Posted Nov 03, 06 19:34
I purchased my Pantera without first seeing the car and I've been repairing rust and rot for months! But I can fix it cheaply, just tons of fabricating. Rust is hard to repair and likely on most cars in wet climates! I would have passed on my present car if I looked at it first.
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Here is one that is a little more telling of the guys character.

http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...820073754#7820073754

Weird though he makes these comments about not buying the car if he had done a better inspection originally, supposedly sells the car, then buys it back several months later in Oct 2007.......

Coz is right in what he stated!! I would like him to respond to these allegations but I doubt he is still on this forum.
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Sorry to see the problems with your car Vereeken. Most Panteras have some minor rust hiding away someplace but yours is pretty sad indeed. But not the worst I’ve seen.

The difficulty in fixing monocoque cars like the Pantera is finding someone that can do the work and create a proper repair that cannot be deducted so the car stays original and unmolested. This means the person doing the repair has factory parts or exact reproduction parts or can make them. Someone that can hammer weld is also a must if you need to insert pieces into existing parts. I expect Cos must have access to that type support and parts but it is can be time consuming and very costly. On the other hand I’ve seen many Pantera repairs that absolutely scream cheap sloppy repair and you can see them for miles even with undercoat on top of them.

An example of the complexity of monocoque repair. When I was having my front valance replaced along with the front cross member I ordered a triangle part from one of the Pantera vendors. It arrived but it did not have the proper flange areas on it for the spot weld reproductions. Apparently the vendor expected it to be seam welded in!! My repair guy said it was trash and made his own part that was an exact copy of the original. Take a look at an example of how it should be done by one of the masters of monocoque repair http://www.panteraplace.com/page44.htm Note the reproduction of the spot welds that show on both sides.

Absolutely amazing work!

Mike
Alot no doubt. I don't think I would go that far with a car but it does have a lot of good photos of different areas. As I work on mine every part looks re-creatable. Just hate to see cars parted out which in scope are re-buildable. It looks daunting, all I saw were photos in the tub area but all of that looked do-able with moderate skills.

The problem I see here is what's not seen. This car is rusting from the inside out. There are many area's that can be fixed but it's the inside area's that cannot be seen that make me doubt it's worth the time and cost involved to repair.

I would hate to see Michel invest the time and money into a situation only to be a temporary band aide in the sense of what will show up 2-3 years from now and have to go through this again.

When I see what this car needs I would find it hard to trust the integrity of the car down the road unless it went through what your post did with that link that shows the repairs that were done to that Pantera and it's refabrication.

It's bad enough we bought a car in this condition, I would not want to have to worry about Michel driving this car down the road and have it structurally unsafe unless it was totally gone through completely. I would not want to see Michel get hurt and know I could have stopped it from happening.

I haven't even removed the interior yet, god knows what I'm going to find under the carpets.

The man hour costs for fabricating and repairs would far out weigh the value of the of this car when completed I believe.

Now if this was a very rare Pantera such as a Push Button, GTS, 4 or 5, then yes, it might be worth the expense involved.

But with this car, I believe we would be just throwing good money after bad and chasing something that would be far more costly than it's worth.

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Thanks to all for all the words of support.
I have mailed the sellervto see wheter we can come to an agreement. So far no news.
I will be pursuing this further if he does not respond. In that sense thanks for the people that have linked previous discussions with this gentleman, they will come in handy.
It is clear that I will consider an offer from someone who will venture into this project (the ground work has been done; for all to see, nothing hidden away. How about that for a thourough PPI.
But my main route will be in parting her out with the quality parts, then scrapping 01447 from the PROVAMO website and keeping the tag for old times sake. Next step is to then find a next project car.
I have had quite some intrest in people looking for parts. At least she will be put to good use.

Michel

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But my main route will be in parting her out with the quality parts, then scrapping 01447 from the PROVAMO website and keeping the tag for old times sake. Next step is to then find a next project car.
I have had quite some interest in people looking for parts. At least she will be put to good use.

What do you mean by "scrapping 1447 from the PROVAMO website?" It's a registry intended to store information about known Panteras. This is valuable information to ADD to the PROVOMO registry.

If you're looking for another 'project' car, you may wish to hold onto this one until you find your next project car - you may already have the parts you will need for the next project car. Just a thought.

Last, I agree with the others that it's a shame to see a car parted out. The rust/damage pictures don't look that bad. If the rust is contained to this area, I'd recommend fixing it. But then again I haven't seen the car in person and, where there's smoke, there's usually fire. I'm sure Coz found more rust issues elsewhere on the car too - I remove the door strikers plates from the door jambs when I inspect a Pantera and shine a light in there to get a look how sound that area is.



I've seen cars where this area looked like the inside of a rusty ship's hull that had been sitting on the bottom of the ocean for 20 years - can see remnants of metal, but could not make out what they were or where/how they attached to anything else.

Keep us posted.
I did and it doesn't look good, this is why I said it is rusting from the inside out.

After the bead blasting, I got as far into it as I could without removing panels.

Thanks Garth and to ALL for the suggestions....They are all very much appreciated.

Coz

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I remove the door strikers plates from the door jambs when I inspect a Pantera and shine a light in there to get a look how sound that area is.
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Let me just add my sentiments to the "I'm sorry this happened to you guys" group. Not to further fuel the fire, but it somehow is made worse by the "represenation" of another so-called car person. "InCARcerated" may be more appropriate.

We've been there in varying degrees. There's a guy in Tennessee to whom I'd like to have his nipples erased with a butane torch. But in all, we learn stuff, move on, develop a thicker skin and better radar to similar charletans, while earning a deeper trust to those deserving.

I'm sure this decision came with difficulty. The cost - we all hope - can be put behind you in the miles of enjoyment in your 'new' car. And a lot sooner, safer, more securely.

So Michel, the biggest nod to you is your attitude. Doesn't seem to be dampened terribly, nor as bitter as some might be tempted. (Small-minded vindictive me included!)

I guess if the "fun is in the hunt", you my friend get to hunt twice. We're glad to help.

When I stated scrap from Provamo, I mean indeed update it so that it is clear what happend to this car for all to see. I do not want to see 1447 come up again 5 years down the road tauting a "bare metal respray over bondo".

I am dissapointed on the attitude of the selller. He replied to my proposal in a way that tells me a lot. I am still undecided if I am going to post the reply. It is the sort of reply you can read anything into.

Perhaps what annoys me the most is that I dodged a few bullits (thanks to a couple of you) of rusted cars only to get hit by a ricochet. Did I expect to shell out some money on his car for rust repairs. YES. It was our intent to bring it to something I like 100%. Did we expect this type of rust and bodges NO. Its like the blue car posted by DOES 200. Good price but awful (to me) color and wheels. So there you go, buy it change this change that...

So all in all the condition of this car was misrepresented.

Do I want a lawyer? Yes I am in discussion through our legal department to see what we can do. But if anyone is willing to suggest a lawyer on the board please do so...I will contact him straight away.

Michel

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Garth has a great suggestion here, just find another body shell as a candidate for all those parts you have. Wasn't PIM selling a couple project shells recently? Larry Stock has a couple bodies and he'd likley do a deal for yours in return as he can sell sheet metal parts (the front at least!).

Julian
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Jerry at P.I. purchased the rear clip from my '74 wreck (firewall back). The frame was solid as was all of the sheet metal including the wheel houses and quarter panels. You might check with him if he still has it.


I assume you would have Coz (a hero of mine that saved me bazillions of dollars with advice when I bought my car) do everything he is capable of. If he doesn't do that sort of fab work, put some serious thought into who will do it.

- Robert
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Hi everybody,
No so new Canadian owner...
I had an Ebay confirmation that I had the car, when it was for sale....by the time I confirm the Ebay sale, (I took the night to think spending $22,000 for that car) Coz bought it. I bought another one, no 2012. The car was supposely complete...The asking price for the car that I bought, and the one Coz got assure me that big work has to be done to make these car reliable and trouble free. I already spent a lot of money, just on parts. It's a big difference, in cost, to do the work yourself instead of paying somebody to do it. It's make the difference that you could deal with it or not. This next summer, I'll have the most beautiful vacation that I ever had. I'll start working on that super sexy body of my forever dream car. My wife will be jalous, for sure. I'm sure that I'll have costly surprises but it's part of the game.

I should post pictures on my engine, when complete...

Salut la gang...

Serge

Serge
Robert,

I'm waiting to hear the projection cost from a very reliable and quality body shop here in town that specializes in old time hot rods for the body restoration of this Pantera. I should know something by the end of the week.

I can do a lot of things, buy body work is not one of them. But I will over see the project and make sure every step is done correctly and looks correct.

Once I hear back from the body shop, Michel and I will compare the costs with the rear clip that PI has and see what makes more sense.

Thanks for the faith in me brother...That means a lot.
Glad I could help you through getting your Pantera....
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...but I will over see the project and make sure every step is done correctly and looks correct.

Thanks for the faith in me brother...That means a lot.
Glad I could help you through getting your Pantera....


It is key to have a knowledgeable person with a good eye oversee important work. I have learned that lesson while having my car worked on out of state.

Glad to see you continue to stay elbows deep in the Pantera world.

You kept me from giving in to my "gotta have it now" compulsion, and from buying the wrong car. So, thank you sir.

- Robert
Technically in NY I think the Insurance Co's are the only ones who claim a total lost and tag a car unsalvagable. Then a salvage title is issued when someone proposes to fix the vehicle ... is my understanding of it ..but I;m not the expert ...But technically to fix a car 1/2 and 1/2 if done the right way ....should you disclose it ? The honest thing to do ..yes... but I have seen people replace fenders, 1/4 panels, doors, floors, hood and deck decklid .... what percentage of the car would that be ? sounds like more then 1/2. I would think that anyone talented enough to cut a car in 1/2 and put it back together ...it would be done properly and basically untraceable. The next thing to think about IS some states dont ALLOW this .. cutting frames and rewelding them .. so it may have to be cut in such a way that when its seperated and put back together its done as the factory would have done it ...and again not traceable.

Ron
There's no licensing required. Whether there SHOULD be is a good question often discussed. One shop owner who contacts home mechanics every day once told me he thought people should be required to demonstrate competency with tools before Sears (or even Harbor Freight) would be allowed to sell to them.... And I've often said there are people in the Pantera world I would not trust to correctly check tire pressures.
But practically, if someone is electricaly or mechanically incompetent and is in business doing this, poor or dangerous-quality workmanship will rapidly self-limit the scope of trouble they can cause. Not so unfortunately in the private sector. "Caveat Emptor" still applies to buying used cars.

Not evey car owner starts off with a rotisserie restoration, and inspects every square inch of the car.  I was un aware of this rust repairs done previous to me. Had I not been threatened by the buyer, talks might have gone better.  When I buy a car I inspect it to my satisfaction. The rust shown does not harm it's driveability. It made two trips to Vegas and one to Az. I bought it for go, not show.  Sorry I sold it. 

Boss man,

I have been a "licensed" aircraft mechanic / inspector for almost 40 years. Licensed to me means nothing, zero, zip because a lot of the work I did was repairing repairs done by licensed mechanics who should not have been allowed to repair a golf cart. Over the years it only got worse as the FAA lowered the standards for getting and maintaing that license. A total joke.

Good and I mean good people that are truly skilled at what they do are few and most often expensive because they are so good. No matter the profession there is  a rule I call the 60 20 20 . 60% being average at best , 20% should not be doing what they are doing and 20% are the masters of their craft / profession and are proud of the work they perform. Hard to find but out there and yes, expensive because of their expertise.

No attack meant here but this thread is a classic example of a dream becoming a night mare that probably could have been avoided. "Probably".

First, buyers and owners must realize that Panteras are machines approaching fifty (50) years of service. Many being older than their owners. You seldom see fifty year old machines unless you go to the junk yard. They were not designed or intended to last fifty years so one must approach a purchased with this in mind. In that fifty years all sorts of things can happen to that machine. I always wished they could talk because the stories they would tell would make for a good read. Corrosion (rust) is everywhere at that junkyard that is full of fifty year old machines. That's because once started it can move fast and be hard to detect since it can work from the inside and progress outward. It's also expensive to repair and many owners would rather spend money on a performance gizmo. If you see signs of corrosion then you best start looking because the smart money says that there is more elsewhere. Face it, a Pantera is a fifty year old hunk of steel. Last is the human dream thing. People tend to see, hear and believe what they want when dreaming. With aircraft most buyers will pay for a pre-purchase inspection. The cost of parts and repairs can quickly turn that dream into a nightmare if you let it. It can also kill you. I can not count how many times I did a pre-purchase inspection and did everything I could to wave off a dreaming buyer that was not going to listen to me. Some were so lost in their dream that they would argue with me if I allowed it. Because of this you have to approach the purchase of your fifty year old hunk of steel as a total skeptic . Bring along a trusted friend who can approach the buy with the ability to wake you up if you are dreaming. To me 1447 looked like a big red flag hunk of fifty year old steel that had been dipped in salt water. It's what dreams can do to you if you let them. 

Despite all I feel for the guy that bought it. Being human is not at all easy.

A P.S. To this is that the 60-20-20 rule applies to a 50 year old hunk of steel so you can almost never look enough.

 

Agree with most of what you say, Punky. I spent 26 years flying across oceans in ancient military airplanes (in the Reserves), that active duty people had discarded. Our inspectors were all required to at least climb aboard and fly around the patch in any plane they signed off as fixed, so that improved our confidence a bit. We didn't carry parachutes, either....

In the case of #1447, it's bad but less awful looking than Mad Dog Antenucci's Pantera that burned to the ground during an Open Track event, was totally rebuilt and returned to run more such events at absurd speeds without difficulty. Significantly, Mad Dog hired top-o-the-line mechs to restore his smoking heap, not the lowest bidders. So #1447 could turn out well regardless of the reported sale price, and if so it will be one more DeTomaso saved from a scrapyard. Bravo! It was also not likely bought by a car-flipper due to the amount of work it needs.

You are correct . With enough time, money and skill it is possible to repair / rebuild anything if you find the right people. I have asked myself what I would do if I uncovered something like that on 9193 and every time my answer was fix it. In my forty years of repairing aircraft I have come in contact with some of the most skilled metal masters on Earth . They repaired stuff I would of trashed.   I've also met some of the worse that thought they were the best. Those being the scary ones.

I just finished repairing a totally molested wiring job done by alarm / stero installers who I am sure thought they had done a great job. While doing so I found that someone had tied knots in the throttle cable on 9193 in a attempt at rigging. Crazy ! It was ready to break and probably would have done so at the worst time and or place.

If the owner of 1447 was near me I would consider helping the guy but a lot of what is needed is way beyond my skill level.

BTW, I  have done more than a few cross Pacific flights and they are killer. Never worried about the machine. It was the crew that was my concern.

Two sides to every XXXX most coins.

I thought "Wait / What??" when I saw the post from 3/26/19.

This thread (is) was 10 years old, was resurrected by 4Pantaras, who may (or may not) be the KM guy who was referenced in the previous posts, who may (or may not) be the previous seller of 1447, and who regrets ever selling it.

If you get a chance to read the write-ups in ProvaMo - there are descriptions of rust repairs performed between 2006 to 2008 prior to the sale to the guy who started this thread.

It doesn't SEEM  like a good story - Form your own conclusions.

 

Rocky

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