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So I pulled off my headers and exhaust for Jet Hot Coatings to apply their ceramic coatings. Now, here's what I learned and you may want to know:

(1) There was a bolt missing from the exhaust/flange on one side.
Thus, we gotta geep these things tight. May wanna check them for tightness. Jack DeRyke, The Boss Wrench, suggested putting two (2) nuts on the (3) bolts at that flange and using flat gaskets, not the round donut shaped ones. Aircraft nuts will just melt the plastic inserted in the ends of those types of nuts, so they're not recommended.

(2) One of my headers (driver's side) had carbon deposit leaking across that asbestous gasket (sealing at the heads).
So, that means we gotta check the headers connected to the cylinder heads every once in a while. It's been suggested that these be checked for tightness at least twice after installation. (So, if yours has never been checked for tightness since leaving the factory, you may wanna do that) Tightening them is not so difficult. Gotta climb in the rear trunk area, over the ZF, with a wrench and a cool engine, and just do it.

(3) My asbestous gaskets at the junction between the cylinder heads and the headers were factory original, but there was part of the gasket (it's the one long gasket about 14" - 16" by 2" to 3" wide) that was blocking the exhaust flow on a couple of the ports. The gasket was covering part of the exhaust port and blocking flow to the header. So, if you take the header off, of course get new gaskets for that, but make sure there is un-restricted flow there. Just match up the old gasket to the new gasket, and trim off the part of the new gasket that is upsetting and blocking the exhaust flow. Maybe just a little more, power, but at least you know it's done right.

These Panteras are pretty close to race cars, for better and worse, so we gotta do a little more checking of the small things than we do on our 'other cars.'

Some how, it just all seems worth it...!
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Thanks mikep01,

1) where can I get stage 8 locking bolts?
2) use the copper rtv at (A): the gasket at the flange where header/muffler assembly meet w/3 bolts ('donut gasket') or (B): the gasket w/8 bolt holes and 4 exhaust holes where the cylinder heads/headers meet or both gaskets (A)&(B)?

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Originally posted by mikep01:
i recomend using the stage 8 locking bolts. recomendation 2: use the copper rtv on both sides of the gasget, run hot, let cool retighten bolts.


Thanks again.
Ron, I have a spare set of Stage8 header bolts. I added port plates on the exhaust which made them too short. Also have stainless steel pre-drilled (for lock wire) socket head cap screws. Interested?

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Originally posted by ron norman:
Thanks mikep01, gonna do it. Gotta order now, so the parts I need are ready when the headers/exhausts get back from Jet-Hot. Gotta get her off the jacks stands ASAP.
Husker,
I gotta get Stage-8 bolts and order them soon, & if yours will fit, I'm interested. Are we talking about the 16 bolts that hold the headers on the engine? How much you asking? I could offer, say $25 plus shipping, that's a little over 50% of what they wanted for the 16 bolts ($42), or make me a counter-offer, not a big deal, but if it'll be OK for both of us, then I'm game.

I looked these Stage-8 bolts up on J.E.G.S. (1st time I've been on their web page & never seen a catalog, but heard of J.E.G.S., so I'm learning a lot, fast.) Looks like only for the heads/headers application, but they had a 'flange' one too, that didn't make sense to me, couldn't visualize how it would work.

Let's work out the details, so contact me:
e-mail: Ronaldcnorman@wmconnect.com Thanks Husker.

Ron

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Originally posted by Husker:
Ron, I have a spare set of Stage8 header bolts. I added port plates on the exhaust which made them too short. Also have stainless steel pre-drilled (for lock wire) socket head cap screws. Interested?





[This message has been edited by ron norman (edited 07-08-2003).]
Ron;

Here's another suggestion. I had the same problem with my header flanges. I asked a couple of circle track stock car builders and they recommended using "stove bolts." They also said to use locking nuts if necessary. I got the stove bolts from a local nut & bolt supplier and used them without the locking nuts. That was about 8 months ago and everything is still tight. I used the doughnut type gasket.

Rodger
I think mine came from Barnett Performance here in Atlanta, but they should be available from Jeg's, Summit, or any performance shop.
The manufacturer is:
Flow Tech
2605 West First Street
Tempe, Arizona 85281
Phone: 602 966 1511
Part number for 2 1/2" diameter, 3 hole collectors is 10024FLT
I'm not sure about the grade of the bolts that come with them. They have a number on the head rather than the standard grade marks.
Thanks Jim
I've gotta look that up online tomorrow and order them, I just wanna do it right once and maybe check them one or two more times and then just move on to the next project. Like to finish up a project, drive her around some, check for problems, and then move on to the next project. Like a math problem, solve one variable at a time, makes it alot easier to isolate the 'noises' if something wasn't done just right.

Thank you for looking up that part number in your Pantera file. My Pantera file is getting thicker. I'm gonna have to get a three ring binder and file some of these posts under 'chapters' for Pantera maintenance, service, parts and repairs. Fully document this amazing Italian Icon, so I don't have to remember everything over the NEXT 30 years. I will be able to just look it up. This section of posts will go in there!

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Originally posted by Jim:
I think mine came from Barnett Performance here in Atlanta, but they should be available from Jeg's, Summit, or any performance shop.
The manufacturer is:
Flow Tech
2605 West First Street
Tempe, Arizona 85281
Phone: 602 966 1511
Part number for 2 1/2" diameter, 3 hole collectors is 10024FLT
I'm not sure about the grade of the bolts that come with them. They have a number on the head rather than the standard grade marks.



Cordially,

Ron
Jim,

Thank you your help. You've helped alot. I'm learning alot and have learned in life that the wise man seeks advice from those who gone there before him and follows that advice. Your advice is truly appreciated. Thank you.

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Originally posted by Jim:
For your Pantera file, start with the SOBill Taylor Database at: http://www.members.aol.com/sobill/
That gives you approximately 5500 lines in an Excel file to start with, then add any additional information that you find.



P.S. This guy SOBill has really performed a service for all of us and really deserves all of our thanks. But when I had to print out the wiring schematics to fix a headlight problem, and I saw his name I couldn't help but wonder, if the name was a bit 'tongue-in-cheek'. In other words I wondered if it stood for "the S.O.B. is sick!" refering to my Pantera when I was using the schematics! SOBill! Good sense of humor!
Husker, Please tell me about the port plates, Skip
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Originally posted by Husker:
Ron, I have a spare set of Stage8 header bolts. I added port plates on the exhaust which made them too short. Also have stainless steel pre-drilled (for lock wire) socket head cap screws. Interested?


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