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There has been a thread about this manifold in the engine forum below. In case you weren't following I'll provide the full story here. There was a manifold manufactured years ago in Australia by a man named John Cain, designed for the 351C with 2V heads, that was an individual runner manifold for Weber 48 IDF carburetors.

What you are used to seeing on Panteras are Weber 48IDA carburetors. The 48IDA is a racing carburetor with an idle circuit and a main circuit (for wide open throttle). It is a very tall carburetor designed with racing in mind, and has no provision for air filtration. Achieving decent part throttle response requires skillful blending of the idle metering circuit and the main metering circuit. In contrast, the 48IDF is a street carburetor, it has been original equipment on certain sports cars (such as Porsche) in the days before fuel injection. It is a more compact, less tall carburetor that has an intermediate metering circuit for proper and reliable part throttle performance. It is also designed to be used with air filter assemblies and Weber actually makes a line of air filter assemblies for this carburetor.

The manifold designed by John Cain has three appealing factors, (1) it is low enough, that used in conjunction with the 48 IDF carbys and the Weber air filters, the whole assembly will squeeze in below the Pantera engine screen. (2) The 48 IDF carbys perform better on the street than the 48 IDA. (3) You can have air filters to protect your motor from inhaling dust.

This manifold has been out of production for years. An Australian gentleman named Mark, owning a company named Aussie Speed, has acquired the rights to reproduce the John Cain line of intake manifolds. I have approached him and he has began working on preparing to reproduce the Cain 48 IDF Weber intake manifold for the 351C. He is making a change to the design, by adding additional flange material above the intake port, the manifold (designed for 2V heads) will bolt up to 4V heads without leaking air. This is a rather common practice in Australia for 351C intake manifolds.

The price shall be $750 AUD, $605 USD at today's exchange rate, 10% discount for orders of 2 to 5, which lowers the price down to $545 USD. Shipping is extra via UPS or Australian Postal. Mark could not quote an availablity date because the manifold is being modified for use with either 2V or 4V heads, he said he would have a better idea in 2 or 3 weeks.

So, at a price of $545 USD plus shipping, who is interested in a Weber 48IDF intake manifold that will allow the Webers to fit below the engine screen with air filters attached!

Besides the iron 2V & 4V heads, this intake will work with Australian 2V (i.e. 302C) heads, the alloy 2V heads from Edelbrock, CHI or AFD, and by elongating the manifold bolt holes it will work with the CHI 3V head too (although it will sit higher with the 3V heads and possibly not fit below the engine screen).

If you've ever said to yourself you would like to install Webers on your Pantera IF ONLY they weren't so fussy to tune & keep tuned; or IF ONLY they could fit below the engine screen; now is your opportunity, for $545 plus shipping, to purchase a manifold that will solve those problems by allowing use of the proper carburetor.

I must hear from Julian & Marcus, if they are still interested. I also welcome other SERIOUS buyers to chime in and be counted. If we get more than 5 buyers, Mark has promised to negotiate an even better discount for us.

cowboy from hell

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George,

Sorry for the delay in getting word to you, count me in still for at least one.

Some questions;

1. Is this a single run of castings or will Aus Speed be producing and marketing these generally? i.e. if I like it on one car can I get another at a later date or should I get two now?
2. Can you get enough ordered that Mark would go beyond a 10% discount? I think there would be a market anyway and I could commit to more to sell on if it meant getting a better deal and gettimg my money back at a later date.
3. Have you posted on the 351C forum to see what interest there is?

Thanks for organizing this George,

Julian
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Originally posted by Joules5:
...Is this a single run of castings ...

I doubt it, as long as Aussie Speed is a profitable business for Mark. But you can't predict what demand there shall be for this manifold, or if Aussie Speed shall remain in business. If it were me, and I had the money, I would buy the extra manifold now, a bird in the hand and all that...

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...Can you get enough ordered that Mark would go beyond a 10% discount...

If Marcus is still interested, that gets us to 4 orders already, one more makes five, your second intake would get us the better discount. Lets see what happens in the next 2 weeks. I can process this through Pantera International, so if anybody needs to use a credit card, we can do that.

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...Have you posted on the 351C forum to see what interest there is...

No, I have been on that forum, more or less, since about 2001, I can't remember anybody ever writing about Weber carbs or individual runner intake systems. for the most part, they are drag racers over there.

cowboy from hell
John,

I think the 48 IDF's run about $500 ea. new, add $100 for filters plus maybe $150 for the linkage, then a bit more for the fuel lines, anciliaries etc. So you are looking at an investment of about $3K all in I guess. You can do it cheaper by getting used IDF carbs on ebay, they come up in pairs for Bugs on occasion and sell for around $600 the pair.

Consider a similar set up off the shelf (but with the higher Redline manifold) will set you back $3500, it's comparable, but with the added advantage of fitting under the Pantera engine screen..

Julian
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Originally posted by 4NHOTROD:
...This manifold could be used with throttle bodies for FI, correct...

http://www.twminduction.com/ThrottleBody/ThrottleBody-FR.html

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Originally posted by detroitmaso:
...Do you happen to know the availability of a linkage assembly? Could I use an Inglese linkage, or does someone else make one...


http://www.redlineweber.com/html/ford/ford_linkage_kits.htm

http://www.piercemanifolds.com/linkage.htm

cowboy from hell
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The price shall be $750 AUD, $605 USD at today's exchange rate, 10% discount for orders of 2 to 5, which lowers the price down to $545 USD.


George, so the 10% discount applies for order of from 2 to 5 correct and we are there? Can we do better if we get over 5? If so, and Marcus comes on board I'll go for two to make up the numbers.

Julian
Thank you Dennis,

I'll keep you in mind, so far no problems.

With Marcus on board, that makes 5 orders so far. Julian, if you order a second manifold, that will get us a better price.

By the way guys, the pic below is a peek at IR nirvana. The intake is not the Cain intake, but the carbys are 48IDFs, with air filters.

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George,

Okay put me down for 2 to get us a better price ..20%?, I can always sell the second one, when everyone sees the final deal all mounted up. I think I'll end up with the IDA's on the '74 as the deck lid was already cut by a previous owner.

Just for any remaining doubters that the 48 IDF's will fit under the engine screen....

Julian

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Once Mark of Aussie Speed tells me he's ready to cast our order, I'll need to tell him how many to cast. I'll bet that's at least 2 weeks away if not more.

I've just written him and infomed him I had 6 orders, he's going to respond with a better discount, that may help you make up your mind.

What do you think Jim? A set of CHI 2V heads (good for up to 600 bhp out of the box), the Aussie Speed intake with 4 Weber 48IDF carbs, and a hydraulic roller cam custom ground for this application. Won't that make for one good looking and strong running motor? Those are my plans anyway.

If that's not enough to make you sweat, I'll bolt that top end onto an aluminum version of Tod Buttermore's block, bored to 4.125", with a 4.00" stroke crank, for 427 cubic inches. Thats a 427 cube Cleveland! All aluminum! With Weber carbs, sitting inconspicuously below the engine screen.

cowboy from hell
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The latest on pricing from Mark of Aussie Speed:

1 manifold = $750 AUD = $610 USD
2 to 5 less 10% = $675.00 AUD = $549 USD
6 to 9 less 15% = $637.00 AUD = $518 USD
10 or more less 20% = $600.00 AUD = $488 USD

All prices are + shipping + any taxes or government charges...

Aussie Speed web site:

http://www.aussiespeed.com/

USD prices based on today's exchange rate of 0.813 as quoted on XE dot com

http://www.xe.com/ucc/

cowboy from hell
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