Where to find hard brake lines?

Have you called Panteras by Wilkinson? If anybody will have the oem parts, it will be him. Steve is the authorized factory parts importer for North America and actually has more stock than the factory.

(562) 634-3434

Another vendor with a one time big cache of oem parts is Hall Pantera. Gary Hall purchased one of Ford's parts inventories when Ford abandoned the Pantera program in the 1970s.

(310) 531-2629

George

What does OEM parts stand for?

Yes, my english is not so good.....:-)

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Originally posted by Bianchito:
...What does OEM parts stand for...

"Original Equipment Manufacturer"

Any company that assembles a collection of parts into a functional device or system, such as an automaker, is referred to as an "oem".

Did you try Pantera Performance in Colorado? 303-660-9897

I don't know how much brake line you need or what you need to replace. I built the system for my MGB from scratch. I got the line from Eastwood. I began using a $25 flair tool. It was a waste of time. I ended up getting a tool which was about $200 at the time. They no longer sell it but the difference was night and day. The cheap tool was very tough to get a usable flair on a harder line. The better flair tools made it not only a piece of cake but the difference of the flair integrity was night and day. If you have a lot of line to do it may be worth buying a descent flair tool and a basic line bender; or if you could borrow one.

http://eastwood.resultspage.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=...it.y=0&submit=Search

I don't know what is available where you are but auto stores like Autozone carry flaired lines in different lengths. You would have to bend them but if you know your length and just need one line that may be an easy alternative.

http://www.rc-tech.net/MGB/brakes/brakesn.htm

Wilkinson was out. I e-mailed Hall...no response. I'll try some of the others. If that don't work, I guess I'll become a brake line flaring fool!

Thanks all,

D. Ocean

http://www.classictube.com/

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Originally posted by DannyOcean:
Wilkinson was out. I e-mailed Hall...no response. I'll try some of the others. If that don't work, I guess I'll become a brake line flaring fool!

Thanks all,

D. Ocean

Danny:

Just for your information.... my experience with the vendors (more than one of them) and E mail is bad. i have never gotten a response - but if i call them i get what i need...

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Originally posted by lmguy:
Just for your information.... my experience with the vendors (more than one of them) and E mail is bad. i have never gotten a response - but if i call them i get what i need...

Thanks for the tip. The vendor who reponds to my e-mail gets my business. It's not 1974 anymore!

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Originally posted by DannyOcean:
Thanks for the tip. The vendor who reponds to my e-mail gets my business. It's not 1974 anymore!

AMEN!

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Thanks for the tip. The vendor who reponds to my e-mail gets my business. It's not 1974 anymore!

I wish it was, then there might still be human contact in this World, plus I'd be able to buy a brand new Pantera for $11K . Hell I'd buy me a dozen, but I'd be out of luck on aftermarket parts as the vendors probably wouldn't exist yet.

Pick up the phone converse and interact with a real person who can discuss your individual needs, establish a real human relationship with at least one of the vendors. Do it before human evolution gets to the point we no longer have a voicebox.

While I agree with the expectations that businessmen need to keep pace with the times, you have to temper that with the FACT that nobody is getting rich servicing the Pantera hobby. These good people do what they do because they are passionate about Panteras like you and I. They are small business owners with small staffs, if any. They do not have somebody sitting at the computer answering e-mail 3 times per day. Add to this the fact that each Pantera vendor is one of a small handful of vendors that service the needs of perhaps 2000 to 3000 active owners around the world, and may receive 30 or more inquiries per day via e-mail, phone calls and faxes.

When you contact Panteras by Wilkinson or Pantera Performance Center or Hall Panteras or PI Motorsports, you are not contacting a business the size of Summit Racing. These folks do all they can each day with their limited resources, and that's all they can do. Finally, consider the fact that none of them are getting any younger. They deserve our support for all they do to make this hobby viable. They also deserve the same understanding and respect any of us expect from our business associates. Each vendor is a valuable member of the Pantera/DeTomaso community, just like each of us here on the forums, they are not outsiders, in fact they have been involved in this hobby longer than most of us here. They deserve the same kindness we show each of our fellow DTIC members. Its not us verses them, its WE.

George

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Its not us verses them, its WE.

Here! Here!

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Originally posted by george pence:
... They do not have somebody sitting at the computer answering e-mail 3 times per day. Add to this the fact that each Pantera vendor is one of a small handful of vendors that service the needs of perhaps 2000 to 3000 active owners around the world, and may receive 30 or more inquiries per day via e-mail, phone calls and faxes. They deserve the same kindness we show each of our fellow DTIC members.

I sell (electronic) parts in my business. I can answer 30 e-mails in the time it takes to handle two phone calls.

I'll show my "kindness" to the parts vendors by sending them buckets full of these:

Im with Danny,

Im also located outside Spain,cant be on the phone all the time, plus time zone differences...etc. If I need a photo I get it through mail, et!

YOUNGER GENERATION COUNTER-ATTACK!!!!

I'm not young, but I agree. I can drop cash faster than a gambler with on-line mailorder. Hell, I buy things I don't need because I see them. In my most recent parts debacle, had there been an interactive parts catalog, I'd have had my parts in one fell swoop. As it stands, I had to talk to several kind people here, place 4 orders with 2 vendors and spend an hour or so on the phone. I could have done this in 10 minutes with a picture on a web page and I could have been working for my employer at the same time.

I like talking to the vendors, and I think it is VERY good to establish a relationship, but sometimes you just need some stuff. If a vendor had a web page like that, they would get 100% of my business. Until then, my projects slow until I get time to make a zillion phone calls.

Just my 2 cents

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Originally posted by popsrcr:
I'm not young, but I agree. I can drop cash faster than a gambler with on-line mailorder. Hell, I buy things I don't need because I see them. In my most recent parts debacle, had there been an interactive parts catalog, I'd have had my parts in one fell swoop. As it stands, I had to talk to several kind people here, place 4 orders with 2 vendors and spend an hour or so on the phone. I could have done this in 10 minutes with a picture on a web page and I could have been working for my employer at the same time.

I like talking to the vendors, and I think it is VERY good to establish a relationship, but sometimes you just need some stuff. If a vendor had a web page like that, they would get 100% of my business. Until then, my projects slow until I get time to make a zillion phone calls.

Just my 2 cents

I agree 100% I buy hundreds of things online every year. I don't have time to sit and ask questions quite often the secretary cannot answer. A good business would not spend their time on the phone. I just spent yesterday morning at a bearing shop wasting a good mans time and in the end I went back to my computer, did the research on my own...Because I knew what I wanted...Walked back in and ordered it.

I don't think the Pantera vendors truly understand the market for some one willing to set it up right. Sure occasionally you need to talk to some one. We do 10x the things we did 20 years ago. We are on the phone when we need to but 9 times out of 10 internet research is always better then some one telling you you need gizmo b and that's all that is available.

So many Vendors, not one has a good web based setup.

PS, I don't say that to insult any of the vendors. I say that to light a fire under their ass; to make it better for them and everyone.

And comp2, I agree with that last statement as well. Only frustration I've had is calling only to find they don't have it in stock. I'm so accustomed to being able to tell that online now...

But, I have had good experiences with most of the vendors and am sure I will continue to.

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Originally posted by popsrcr:
And comp2, I agree with that last statement as well. Only frustration I've had is calling only to find they don't have it in stock. I'm so accustomed to being able to tell that online now...

But, I have had good experiences with most of the vendors and am sure I will continue to.

I have had good experience with them as well and don't mean to imply otherwise but if anything I want to say is wake up or the world will pass you by and leave you in the dust. We all respect these people; all of them.

Let me give a case and point. I completely understand that the parts issue with the Pantera could never be what the MGB is BUT having said that look at the MGB stuff available by catalog and online. You stand in your garage, you look the parts up in the catalog and you place an order, by fax, phone or online. All parts available are listed and 99% of the time in stock. This is one of the vendors:

http://www.victoriabritish.com/

I understand I am comparing apples to oranges here but a lot can be learned from this and I would like to see something that is part what we have and part what this MG vendor does. I did a rotesory restoration ordered $20K in parts and never talked to anyone except for one return. 90% of the time I pulled up the order page, clicked the parts and went back to work. The parts on my door step 2-3 days later.

http://www.rc-tech.net/MGB/gal/d1.jpg

With the Pantera I spend the time I was working on the car trying to guess which vendor has which part making phone calls, it is 100% different and time consuming experience.

Try your local speed shop or auyoparts dealer. In our area there is a shop that will make brake lines to match your existing lines. They will make them in steel or stainless steel. They run the old lines thru a machine that copies the line.
Richard T.

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Originally posted by RichardT:
Try your local speed shop or auyoparts dealer. In our area there is a shop that will make brake lines to match your existing lines. They will make them in steel or stainless steel. They run the old lines thru a machine that copies the line.
Richard T.

Yep. That's the answer I'm getting from the vendors who are out of stock..."make your own"!

Thanks all,

D. Ocean

Danny,

I have a pair from an early '72 that I'm parting out.

e-mail me at:

johnmaffeo1@yahoo.com

John

Danny,

There was an earlier post in this thread for Classic Tube. There was a discussion on this vendor some years back since the owner happens to own a Pantera. The lines are listed under "Pantera", not De Tomaso. As I recall the fit and finish are 100% correct and custom fit orders accepted.

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Originally posted by ParaPantera:
Danny,

There was an earlier post in this thread for Classic Tube. There was a discussion on this vendor some years back since the owner happens to own a Pantera. The lines are listed under "Pantera", not De Tomaso. As I recall the fit and finish are 100% correct and custom fit orders accepted.

Yeah, I checked them out. Have purchased from them before for my Corvette. They only sell a whole set. I really just need driver's side rear...

...Why don't you do what I did; Buy your own 'Flairing Tool' and Bare Tubing, and make the hard lines yourself!! Yes, your dealing with 'bubble flairs', so change them. Actually a bubble flair is nothing more than a 'double flair', 'Half Completed'!! I Don't give Excuses!...I Give Results!!! Now get to it!...