I've been following this post with enthusiasm....and some restraint, not wanting to add fuel to the fire, but...
I think the conversation thus far attests to the core type of guys that hang out here.... a great bunch. You are all willing to be 'self critical', that is a true virtue in itself and I'm still not so sure anyone has anything to be apologetic about.
A new user came out of nowhere and posted a car and GT5 kit for sale, as a P car owner one would think he would have some awareness of the market and have done some research. He didn't like what he heard in terms of offers, too exception and responded in kind with examples to justify his price. The 'polite' route is a two way street; he could as easily responded thanks for your offer, but its way below what I can accept…..good luck on your search...end of conversation. Secondly; the 'polite' route would have a note that said 'I'm out of town for while; do not expect a response until...
Most honest sellers just get it out in the open up front and post a price with the ad. Inviting people to have to enquire, then leaving for vacation is asking for a mixed reaction.
In addition I may have been part of the 'disappointment' he experienced as I in response to the post I enquired as to the price of the GT5 kit. Two weeks later came a response of $5K, so I politely replied that a new kit could be had from the vendors with wing for around $1500, that is not 'dissing' the guy just pointing out simple fact....and for that I don't feel an apology is warranted or necessary.
As the board grows in membership, there will undoubtedly be more confrontation of this nature. I personally don't see it as confrontational just 'healthy discussion' and if everyone is afraid to speak their mind due to possible repercussions, the discussions and the board will ultimately lose a lot of the 'edge' that makes it so different and better than other boards.
I’ll stop there, just my 'two penneth'
Julian
Yeah now that you point it out he didn't seem to handle it real well either. I guess I was making too much alloance for him being a kid and all. This is his parents fault. Parents now a days just don't teach manners like they used to. Back in my day it was yes ma'am and yes sir. Please and thank you. And 29 is old enough he should know better even if his parents didn't raise him right.
Yeah Jules, you're right. F@#$ him if he can't have manners. But still, let's all try and be especially nice to newbies, hell who knows, maybe someday a hot babe may wonder in and we don't want to be scaring her off.
Yeah Jules, you're right. F@#$ him if he can't have manners. But still, let's all try and be especially nice to newbies, hell who knows, maybe someday a hot babe may wonder in and we don't want to be scaring her off.
DeTom,
Don't get me on the subject of parenthood; it’s not all the parents fault but partly the society of today. I'm a proud parent of a 12 yr old son (bonding road trip to POCA Vegas coming up), now he's great and I love him to death, but man if I'd spoke to my parents like he does…. I wouldn't be here today.
Yeah, we'll try hard to attract them hot babes, (I hope my wife don't read this BB
) isn't that why you bought a P car in the first place, why else put up with all that unreliability eh?
Hey, I'm thinking if you're so keen on keepin' this BB 'nicey nicey' and politically correct you can't be saying 'hot babes', you just don't know the 'orientation' of everyone whom hangs out here. 
Don't get me on the subject of parenthood; it’s not all the parents fault but partly the society of today. I'm a proud parent of a 12 yr old son (bonding road trip to POCA Vegas coming up
), now he's great and I love him to death, but man if I'd spoke to my parents like he does…. I wouldn't be here today.Yeah, we'll try hard to attract them hot babes, (I hope my wife don't read this BB
) isn't that why you bought a P car in the first place, why else put up with all that unreliability eh?Hey, I'm thinking if you're so keen on keepin' this BB 'nicey nicey' and politically correct you can't be saying 'hot babes', you just don't know the 'orientation' of everyone whom hangs out here.
Good point Joules. You never know which way someones keyfob may swing. And the same thing that keeps our wives off of the board, probably keeps hot young memmbers of the female oriented persuasion dissinterested as well.
I hope I said that in a way that does not offend those who are attracted to, er, well, anything other.
I hope I said that in a way that does not offend those who are attracted to, er, well, anything other.
Detom .... your great ! LOL
Joules well said ... thanks...I do remeber him asking 5k for the spoilers and thats when I shook my head.
Anyway, I will be the first to apologize if I'm out of line ... I guess its my NY enthuziazm ... but its always in the best interest of fun.
Parenthood ? sorry still single but I can say that if I did some of the things the apprentices do who work for me ? My Grand father and father would have thrown a wrench at me. Life today is very different both for the better and some times I feel for the worse.
Ron
Joules well said ... thanks...I do remeber him asking 5k for the spoilers and thats when I shook my head.
Anyway, I will be the first to apologize if I'm out of line ... I guess its my NY enthuziazm ... but its always in the best interest of fun.
Parenthood ? sorry still single but I can say that if I did some of the things the apprentices do who work for me ? My Grand father and father would have thrown a wrench at me. Life today is very different both for the better and some times I feel for the worse.
Ron
Thanks Ron. I like you too. I even put you on my friends list on this board. I don't know what that does really. Maybe you get points for it or something?? Dunno. Maybe you get enough points you get a prize?? That would be cool.
Is it for sale or sold? bdwj3374@aol.com
My guess its for sale
I e-mailed this guy 3 times directly over the past few weeks and have not had one reply back.
John
John
Well that is because we kinda pissed him off and he left in a huff saying we could... er, well, you know. 
Detom invite him back in the sand box again. waaaaaa waaaaa I wont my Mommy ! LOL
Ron
Ron
It's easy for you and me to laugh, we have our cars, in fact you have two. But what about the guys here who are desperatly searching. We queered the deal for them. Now it is just one less Pantera that they will be able to look at. Yeah we don't care, we have ours, but we should think about those less fortunate than ourselves. At least that is what my mommy used to say when she was alive.
If this guy really wants to sell his car, he'll advertise it somewhere. Someone on this PIBB or on the e-mail forum will hear about it, and it will eventually end up here again.
John
John
You know I don't believe half the prices I see on Ebay.
A guy in our club sold his car on ebay. Perfect driver type car maybe some of you remember it 72 Black Pantera. I think he sold it to cheap at $30,000.00
So when this guy talks about that rust bucket missing half the parts selling for $23,000 I don't really think it sold. I just think he is basing his selling price on auctions that have some kind of fake bidding going on.
Those guys looking for cars just be ready to buy they are out there. See this one its not for sale anymore but could of been purchased late last year for $29,000.00 I seen this car at the PI gathering and it was a nice driver.
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/225004...730008683#2730008683
A guy in our club sold his car on ebay. Perfect driver type car maybe some of you remember it 72 Black Pantera. I think he sold it to cheap at $30,000.00
So when this guy talks about that rust bucket missing half the parts selling for $23,000 I don't really think it sold. I just think he is basing his selling price on auctions that have some kind of fake bidding going on.
Those guys looking for cars just be ready to buy they are out there. See this one its not for sale anymore but could of been purchased late last year for $29,000.00 I seen this car at the PI gathering and it was a nice driver.
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/225004...730008683#2730008683
Detom, I was only joking and without getting into a long discussion all over again. If you remember it was way over priced, didnt run, needed interior that was eaten by animals, and probably rusted pretty bad ... they wanted 5k for a spoiler set up that could be purchased for less then half.
If you want a project car ... I have one for that price ... motor is complete. car is painted and I will even finish the rest of the resto of the engine compartment under carriage and suspension. Let me know I'll send you pictures.
Ron
If you want a project car ... I have one for that price ... motor is complete. car is painted and I will even finish the rest of the resto of the engine compartment under carriage and suspension. Let me know I'll send you pictures.
Ron
PI has many nice cars .. they are on ebay .. and as someone quoted previuosly .. they can only account for 3000 + cars and 9000+ were made .... the balance were not all were crashed and destroyed. They are out there. email me and I will find you a Pantera. ronmarl@optonline.net
What condition are you looking for ?
If its good to great go to PI ... if its a project give me buzz.
Ron
What condition are you looking for ?
If its good to great go to PI ... if its a project give me buzz.
Ron
I know Ron, I was giving you crap because you are so fun to tease.
And as far as guys looking for projects there is one on the PI site right now for 29K that needs about what you are talking about. For some reason I think SoCal cars seel for more no matter what they are.
And as far as guys looking for projects there is one on the PI site right now for 29K that needs about what you are talking about. For some reason I think SoCal cars seel for more no matter what they are.
A short while back someone else posted info about my Pantera, and when I joined the post and furnished a little more info, it spurred a lot of interest. Publically, let me thank all those who telelphoned and emailed me. As the work I was (and still am) having done to the car was not completed, I had the posting removed from the board. Soon I hope, my Pantera will be available for a new home. At 3:24pm EST last Wednesday, it woke up, and ran very well. It is my hope that within two weeks I will have it marketable. Thanks.
How about some preview pictures?
Just one or two?
Just one or two?
A picture is worth.......1000