Any opinions on this car?

This is from the NADA site. As with everything the caris worth what you are willing to pay. I think I saw this on E-Bay also

Low Retail Value $17,100
This vehicle would be in mechanically functional condition, needing only minor reconditioning. The exterior paint, trim, and interior would show normal wear, needing only minor reconditioning. May also be a deteriorated restoration or a very poor amateur restoration. Most usable "as-is".

Some of the vehicles in this publication could be considered "Daily Drivers" and are not valued as a classic vehicle. When determining a value for a daily driver, it is recommended that the subscriber use the low retail value.

Note: This value does not represent a "parts car".

Average Retail Value $27,100
This vehicle would be in good condition overall. It could be an older restoration or a well-maintained original vehicle. Completely operable. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are presentable and serviceable inside and out. A "20-footer".

High Retail Value $40,000
This vehicle would be in excellent condition overall. It could be a completely restored or an extremely well maintained original vehicle showing very minimal wear. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are not in need of reconditioning. The interior would be in excellent condition. Note: This value does not represent a "100 Point" or "# 1" vehicle *.
* "100 Point" or "# 1" vehicle is not driven. It would generally be in a museum or transported in an enclosed trailer to concourse judging and car shows. This type of car would be stored in a climate-regulated facility.

It was on E-Bay Item number: 110045187968 $28,100 reserve not met, no sale

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Originally posted by cquirk:
This is from the NADA site.

Wow, thanks; that's useful.

For anyone else, here's a link to NADA.com: Classic Car Report: 1974 De Tomaso Pantera

Marcus

Low to Average on the above scale.
Must be inspected for rust in the normal areas to really say for sure.

Information on rust
http://www.panteraplace.com/page57.htm

If you're going to check out this car, visit my "How to Buy" page to get a copy of the "Pre-purchase Inspection Checklist" and more info on what to look for:
http://www.banzairunnerpantera.com/how_to_buy.htm

Also, check out these two inspections I did a few months back to get a better idea of what to look for:
Redwood City Pantera
http://realbig.com/pipermail/detomaso/2006-July/074575.html
A couple more things: http://realbig.com/pipermail/detomaso/2006-July/074593.html

San Leandro/San Francisco Pantera
http://realbig.com/pipermail/detomaso/2006-July/074783.html

I hope this info helps. The other thing to do is find another Pantera owner in the area to look at the car for you and/or with you. It's amazing what an extra set of eyes will find.

Good luck!
Garth

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This is from the NADA site.

Don't take anything in the NADA guide as gospel. You will not find a Pantera as described in "Low Retail" for $17,000. Maybe a clapped out rust-bucket that will cost more than $17,000 to return to life, but not a car only needing minor reconditioning.

The experience of a good friend who's been searching for a Pantera in CA for the past months has been that cars matching NADA's "Low Retail" description have been priced in the mid-$30's to just over $40,000. And nicer cars have been priced higher. That's been his experience. Your mileage may vary.

Cheers!
Garth

Data is only helpful if it is accurate.
I want to know exactly where the data came from that enabled anyone to determine that a Pantera is worth $17,000?
Show me the proof.
It is my opinion that the guide or virtually any guide for that matter, that you are using is fiction.

The guide kicks in on valuations of the car. The insurance/finanacing/sales companies use these guides to establish some value to the vehicle. If you have ever had a pay off on a totaled or stolen vehicle or tried to buy replacement value insurance these guides suddenly appear and in abitration seemed to be leaned on as bibles.

As I said a car is worth what you are willing to pay for it.

I have seen two cars sell on Ebay for the low $20,000s and one was a somewhat rare pushbutton.
these cars would qualify for the low value driver type cars.

My car was less than $17,000
Although it came in many parts. Otherwise mostly a solid car purchased year and a half ago

Yeah ike I say they are worth what you are willing to pay for it.

Amazing what is selling on Ebay right now.

THanks to all there was some excellent information posted here.

Congratulations on several levels to those who...

1) Bought a sorted car.
2) Are able to sort a now 30+ year old Italian car.
3) Realize that these cars are bargains.

Muscle cars with less driveability and far less exclusivity sell for far more. "True" Italian cars with less reliability and godawful maintenance costs sell for far more.

Then the Italian Muscle Car (Pantera) is - to me - the best of both, but the worst of neither. It is unjustifiably priced at a low level and I cannot imagine this continuing.

Call me blind.

The car in the ebay ad appeared largley unmolested (poor choice of words I realize, but that what the auction purveyors call them) and awaiting a freshening up. I'd have hit that car - rotten description and all - and low $30s'. Honestly don't know where it ended up (I'm about to go check.)

If well done or original Panteras don't hit an "average" of mid $40's in the next 12 months, I may lose faith in humankind... but still keep my car.

Oh, and dumb me for "replying" to my own post, but I personally know of TWO Panteras that sold in the last 60 days (original cars) for over $50k. Worth paying attention here.

There are so many on ebay now that I'd be dangerous with another $150grand or so! Hmm, let's see, I could get ONE superb Ferrari Boxer (340hp and killer looks) with enough left over for a tune up or 3 unblemished Panteras (330hp) ready to rock. Okay, next question?

When one responds to thier own post it is similar to talking to yourself.

The good news, you know it will be an intelligent conversation