Barrett Jackson Pantera Scottsdale

$44,000 + commission

Doug M

Sold/stolen for $48,400...........

Yeah, seems like a real bargain... Was it FI ?

nice looking car. they had much more than that into it

here is the Hot Rodding article about the car.
some body got a great deal!
"Total cost to build: approx. $65,000"


http://www.popularhotrodding.c...pantera/viewall.html

and for those with share access, the VIN is registered at Provamo

Yeah, we know again and again, not good for sellers at Barrett for our cars. But it did bid to #49K with no sale on ebay back in 2008. Here are some more photos that I kept from the link in ebay: http://www.flickr.com/photos/r...606445381768/detail/

Wow. That's a fire sale at that price. Now I'm nervous. I bought this Pantera instead of a '69 Boss 429 that was $9,000? I couldn't afford the red Mangusta for $25,000.

Barett-Jackson prices never did make much sense though?

BJ is not the place to sell. That crowd doesn't appreciate our cars. People are more interested in being seen, stroking their girl friends and being a big man buying a BMW Isetta minicar for $50K becuase it's "cool".

I saw more ugly customized cars sell for $50 - $100K but that Pantera which was very nice got killed at $40K.

WTF.

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Wow. That's a fire sale at that price. Now I'm nervous. I bought this Pantera instead of a '69 Boss 429 that was $9,000? I couldn't afford the red Mangusta for $25,000.

You gave up a Boss9 for $9000?!?!

At top example at the height of the US economy went for 600K! Makes even the profit that can be made on a goose in recent times look pedestrian.

while I am glad some one got such a deal, as one contemplating a build it is very discouraging.

I could take my anticipated budget and have gotten that car.

Only saving factor is it is not what I would want.

I'm 100% behind the idea of "do what you want, it's your car" but IMHO this car was butchered. Would only appeal to a very limited number of potential purchasers and probably had a lot to do with keeping the price way down. But that's just me.

Doug M

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Originally posted by PanteraWanabe:

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Wow. That's a fire sale at that price. Now I'm nervous. I bought this Pantera instead of a '69 Boss 429 that was $9,000? I couldn't afford the red Mangusta for $25,000.

You gave up a Boss9 for $9000?!?!

At top example at the height of the US economy went for 600K! Makes even the profit that can be made on a goose in recent times look pedestrian.

Well yes, but it was 29 years ago, 1985. Wait I need to take off my shoes and socks to count right.

I seem to recall it was Grabber blue and came with a spare transmission and one and a half spare engines. A spare 2x4 intake.

Not one of my smarter decisions considering where things have gone.

...maybe it was a '70?

yep I agree it was butchered I saw it and watched it go over the block. the car was a far cry from the original article that was done on the car show car paint jobs just don't last and the interior was amateurish the exhaust pipes or should I say chrome cans looked stupid. 44k plus buyers fees and taxes, etc. but maybe the new buyer will put it back to its more desirable pushbutton specs fixing the deck lid (cut out for carb)will be a challenge

I'm in agreement that the car was a mess. The quality of work (especially the interior), even from the Popular Hot Rodding gallery, looks like crap. It is cars that are customized like that which make people think the Pantera is a kit car or something to be avoided. Worse is that a sale like that just gets recorded as a Pantera sold at $45K (or whatever it was). Too bad a big tent didn't fall on it and crush it before the auction.

Mark (who often has trouble expressing his opinions…)

I saw this car in person. Very amateurish build for sure -- and the interior was starting to unwind. It had fiberglass flares and an engine compartment that was well worn. I shouldn't talk as I am customizing my own car so I'm sure I'll have to eat my own words someday, but one man's dream is usually only that.....ouch, I know..... The car just did not show well under the BJ tent.

Now the 1967 Ford Mustang called KONA that the Ring Brothers built was quite a car. I crawled all over that thing from top to bottom. Exquisite details abounded all over that car. It was lot number 1356.1 and the hammer price was $135,000. With sales commission, it sold for $148,500. Lots of value there. The consigner told me it was the best driving custom he has ever driven. It was a fuel injected Rousch 402 with a 4 speed automatic. Again, just a gorgeous car. Glad I didn't have a bidder's paddle or I might have this thing -- and the wife would be REALLY pissed......

Mark

sooo Mark....how do you really feel....

About 3 years ago, I attended Barrett Jackson auction when it debuted at the Orange County Fair Grounds. It was Saturday afternoon/evening, and while I expected it to be mobbed, the hall was empty, and spectacular cars were being given away including an absolutely incredible Daytona Coupe recreation that was perfect in every way. It was a stunning revelation for me. Not sure why BJ Auctions aren't more successful.

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Originally posted by tberg:
About 3 years ago, I attended Barrett Jackson auction when it debuted at the Orange County Fair Grounds. It was Saturday afternoon/evening, and while I expected it to be mobbed, the hall was empty, and spectacular cars were being given away including an absolutely incredible Daytona Coupe recreation that was perfect in every way. It was a stunning revelation for me. Not sure why BJ Auctions aren't more successful.

I agree, I was at OC too and talked to the owner of a white Group 4 that I saw in Palm Springs auction that bid to about $60K and didn't sell due to the reserve, then a few months later saw it at OC BJ go for about $24k with no reserve...ouch. First year in OC was bad for sellers I think because it was new, but next year it was real packed and good for sellers (unfortunately that was when I brought my bidding paddle and not the first year). Buyers caught on one year too late.

Sunday at B-J auctions seem to be for the maybe cars, no one is hardly ever there and prices are at the bottom.
Jeff

the Barrett Jackson auction has a lot of hype going for it in Scottsdale when the venue is in other cities less hype better deals on cars you might be able to buy. other auctions in the phx. area have less desirable cars daily drivers , etc. but Barrett has the batmobiles and the circus like crowd that attracts (fools with more money than brains)so its fun to look at these cars but really $85,000 for a camero? with a paint job and wide tires?

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
I'm in agreement that the car was a mess. The quality of work (especially the interior), even from the Popular Hot Rodding gallery, looks like crap. It is cars that are customized like that which make people think the Pantera is a kit car or something to be avoided. Worse is that a sale like that just gets recorded as a Pantera sold at $45K (or whatever it was). Too bad a big tent didn't fall on it and crush it before the auction.

Mark (who often has trouble expressing his opinions…)

Totally agree on the 'market' side of your comments; though I didn't see the car, I'll take your word on that. Though its kinda cool that the Pantera was the original 'resto mod' (before that was a common term), the mutations over the years have clearly kept it - and us - from seeing a deserved market-appreciation bounce. I mean, if you look at any other factory hybrids: Cobras, Italias, Iso Grifos, Bizzarinis, Apollos, even the now coveted Sunbeam Tiger, you see rather significant jumps.

High quality cars, even those modded with 'respect' shown to the marque, will be what pulls Panteras out of the funk. I am seeing more cars in the $60k ranges these days, and even just 'upped' the insurance on my own for the first time in 8 years. I actually sold the Ford GT, and Ferrari Boxer BBi since I feel a little weird driving a mid-6-figure car in my town PLUS the insurance got kinda wacky for the amount of miles driven.

I'll state right here that if/when the Pantera does the same, I'll still keep it. It is my sentimental favorite, always has been.

Even if Pantera prices rise substantially, there is still a fair bit of general public awareness of the cars and where they sat in the pecking order (when introduced) — as an exotic that normal people might actually be able to afford. I really doubt they will ever be perceived as a car driven by a bunch of snooty rich types. They get lots of love, but still too little respect. Regardless, I'm hoping to keep mine until I can no longer drive.

I do find it odd that many comparable (that can always be argued) cars have increased much more percentage-wise than Panteras but, like Adams, I don't really want to be seen as driving an uber-expensive car. Never did.

Mark

I was at Barrett Jackson and it's amazing how first impressions make an imprint on people. I was taking a look at the car and if I heard it once I heard it at least twice -- ".....that's a Pantera, they are known to overheat....." Once they earned that reputation from the first cars that didn't have the blank off plate mounted internally correctly -- it's amazing how these first cars tainted all the rest -- even though all is good now. Sad story -- but it's probably why these cars have not been "discovered" yet. I think they will -- at least maybe in my lifetime?

Cheers,

Mark

Hey all, I'm the person that bought the 71 pushbutton from the BJ auction. Yup, it's not the car for you purists out there, but it's a dream come true for me at the price I paid. I seriously thought I would never have a chance at owning a Pantera so I was happy to be there at the right time to swoop in and pick it up for such a good price. And the majority of you are right...it wasn't a Pantera crowd (good for me ). So, now I've started my car history search and I'm finding lots of great information thanks to this forum and the links you've provided. If anyone has any other helpful information to offer, I'd be much obliged.

thanks,
Marcie

Totally AWESONE!!
And Good for you. Wolfgirl, you will find this forum a wealth of information and full of good hearted people willing to help.
Congrats on the Pantera and as you begin to personalize the car you will find everything from best wheel sizes to most popular mods for cooling, to cheap power improvements.
Welcome to the forum, the pantera party

Wolfgirl...grats on your purchace and nice to see another car up here in the Northeast! Nice looking car, can't wait so see it in person! If you need assistance, there are a few of us up that can help you out.

George

Wolfgirl, Good for you. That car has had a ton of money put into. Those body mods are not cheap. The Baer brakes are super expensive. A 416 stroker motor is big money. Well bought and well done. Enjoy !!

Doug M

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Originally posted by Wolfgirl: If anyone has any other helpful information to offer

Drive the wheels off of it and discover the pantera grin we all come home with.

Doug M

Congrats Wolfgirl..!!!

Start a log on your new baby, so we can all check her out and see what your up to.... ??

Wolf girl
Congrats and btw nice ride. You will find a lot of great info on this board and if you have any questions large or small you will get answers that are meaningful here, good people, good info, hang out and enjoy.

PS to the guy who gave up the boss...in 1978 I tried to sell my 1968 cuda Fastback formula S 340 4 speed AC factory tint for 1000 to buy a Shelby GT 500KR for $2000.... never came up with the cash. Sold the cuda in 1986 for $950.00 because I was married, and needed a better gas mileage car....Ugh I could kick myself.

Marcie, you're going to enjoy that car. Glad to hear you're a long-time fan, makes the move to ownership that much more enjoyable. Have fun!

And yes, this board is beyond helpful. It is a Pantera owner's knowledge base, guidance counselor, and group therapy, all in one.

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If anyone has any other helpful information to offer, I'd be much obliged.

Help us help you... Post More Pictures!

Welcome...

Rocky

Thank you all so much for the warm welcome ! The car hasn't even arrived yet here in CT, but I've already got "the grin". I can't stop smiling I am so excited about finally owning a Pantera. I saw my first one back in 71 and have been in love with them ever since (yes Joe, 50+ and counting). I'm looking forward to tapping into all of your expertise and experience. When it gets here I'll be sure to post updated pictures. Unfortunately, I might be taking them in the snow. Time to move south .


Glad to be part of your forum,


Marcie

Welcome to our addiction!!!!!
Jeff

Marcie,

Enjoy...and Congrats!

Congratulations Marcie,

You did get a lot of car for the money. There is a huge amount of expertise on this board and everyone here is extremely helpful when and if you run into any issues. There are a lot of great vendors out there too, so making any changes you want should be easy to do. Good luck getting the car settled into your garage and we look forward to seeing photos and hearing more from you.

Mark

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here are a lot of great vendors out there too, so making any changes you want should be easy to do. Good luck getting the car settled into your garage and we look forward to seeing ph

I love the blue color on the car and the roots blower probably gives that car quite the presence as it drives by. Enjoy your new ride

I remember the car when Dr Dan from Arizona owned the car. It was extremely fast and had the largest Exhaust tips I have ever seen! The one thing to remember about our cars, is the thing I love the most, that we tend to make them our own. You most likely would not do that with a Ferrari, but with a Pantera you can. And while I might not like some things that guys do to their cars, I love watching them look proudly at them!
Congrats on your new purchase and enjoy your car!