Bundle of Snakes Exhaust!

I've never seen those through a vendor, I think I've seen 3-4 cars with them online and they all appeared to be track cars in Europe. So I'm guessing someone was custom making them for a few people over there.

Hmmmmm ... Fair enough, would be really good if some vendor could start making them or find out who that vendor/person is

Thanks

Those look like the headers on the factory GT4 cars. In fact from this angle, it could be a factory light weight race car? It has the dual fuel fillers and the roll bar braces.

Looks like Doug is right. Here is another Group 4 car.





and another http://www.carclassic.com/DeTo...tera_Group_EJ98.html

The exhaust on the yellow car isn't a 180 degree setup, the primaries aren't crossing over. In the last picture you can see three of the passenger side primaries going to the same collector. Nice looking setup though.

They all seem to be slightly different from each other, even the blue GT-4 on that link (which is an extremely nice looking car) is different to the red one. Maybe they are all 1 off's custom made ...

Here is a set off of the Blue Car 1189 ... there is some question of whether it is a true factory lighweight GR4 or just a factory prepared GR4 ... but here a a shot of the 180's.

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Eventually I am going to find my pictures of the GT4 George Stauffer had.
It had these exact headers on the car BUT they were stainless and had a lot of crimps in the tubes.
He said they were original from the factory and who am I to disagree, but cosmetically it was a race car with a lot of stuff I would trash for cosmetic reasons and the first thing to go would be the headers.
The neatest thing the car had was a Detomaso lettered Weber intake.
It did have a heat shield on the bottom of the decklid in aluminum just like the top picture, which again looked like trash.
I doubt the factory drivers were the Gucci loafers crowd? Neither am I for that matter but neither am I 110 pound jockey with attitude and beat the crap out of the horse?
These factory race cars were beaten to death.

Somewhere I have an analog video I took of Stauffers GT4 running at the Walter Mitty Historics at Road America in the late 80s. It was very fast and sounded great

Did anyone ever locate a source for the bundle of snake headers?

BTW, George still has those stainless headers, hanging on a wall. He says he likes the color they turned under heat. What I wouldn't give to talk him out of them...

Steve Wilkinson pointed out to me that these "factory" headers were made from stainless so they never had to come off of the car. He said that the heat warps them and that you can't take them off of the car and expect to get them back on.

The better design is to break them in the middle so the left unbolts from the right. I've had mine off the car a dozen times and everything lines up fine when they go back on. So they are separable but they are not stainless either. They are mild steel, ceramic coated.

They are the same headers that Mad Dog ran. I haven't seen his new ones yet. Anyone have pictures of those?

I at one time went out and bought a mandrel tubing bender and a load of stainless tubing.
I couldn't get the stainless to bend without kinking and the wire welders weren't around yet. The welds had to be stick scab welds and the arc would blacken the stainless. Stainless rods tend to stick and don't like to flow smoothly, alot like aluminum sticks, adding to a lot of burn through s on the tubes. Yuk. What a mess.

That was one expensive fiasco on my part. On the other hand, you don't learn anything unless you try it and go through it.

The factory race headers are not pretty to look at either.

I would like to see the picture of the headers on George's wall. I never met a nicer and more gracious guy then George Stauffer.

MD headers from 2008 or so.

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I never met a nicer and more gracious guy then George Stauffer.

Yup, he's right up there!

He's nearly a neighbor, and we've worked quite closely on a DOT problem over the past few years. Quite an amazing guy!

I'll see what I can do about getting a photo of those headers.

The last time I saw him was with his car in the pits. My two sons were with me (3 and 5) and were touching all the cars. The MrkIIs were there too. I was freaking out trying to tell mine not to touch anything. The little one said to me "don't worry Dad, Grandma will buy them for us if we break them". George saw the scenario and heard the conversation and noticed my condition.

He came over and comforted me and said "it's ok, they are race cars, they can take it", and laughed about the entire thing. Might have been SAAC Lime Rock in '96? I forget now?

On the MD headers...yup, I've got the same ones. My muffler solution is different though.

Turns out that Bob at Pantera Proformance is the one who builds them. Mine are for the A3 heads and the mounting flanges are different though...although I think maybe Bev Hall said he ran the A3 heads also...don't remember the specifics.