The rumor is that only about 60 GT5S cars were manufactured, this figure may not include Amerisport cars. Perhaps it is only 60 to the US. In any event, the GT5S and GT5 cars are rare. My best advice is to know Panteras well before you shop, see at least two GT5S cars in person. Even if you must travel some distance to view them. Then, buy the car you decide on and be prepared to spend a good bit of money brining it up to spec. If you are real lucky and find a don't wanter or a panic seller you'll get a good price. Otherwise, just pay the price. You cannot quible over rare cars versus the 71 74 models which by comparison are plentiful. My GT5S sold in two weeks through word of mouth locally without placing an add at asking price. Many sales happen this way. Figure 60k minumum for a good car. The yellow car @51K on the PI site is a little rough, but easily fixable. Remember, owning a Pantera is like a love affair, not a logical choice.
Very rare and many owners do not want to part with them. I think the original GT-5's at this point are even more rare than the GT-5S's.
At last count, there was only 17 GT-5 cars accounted for in the US & Europe that were known of. That's not to say there aren't any others that no one has been makde aware of.
This is a list I started to compile awhile back. I beleive there is 2-3 that I have heard about but haven't been added to the list. This is just the GT-5.
1. #9170 - 1980 Pantera GT5 Norway T. Bakos
2. #9178 - 1980 Pantera GT5 Arizona J. Cozzolino
3. #9182 - 1981 Pantera GT5 Atlanta
4. #9195 - 1983 Pantera GT5 - Canada - ?
5. #9203 - 1982 Pantera GT5 Montreal D. Berman
6. #9261 - 1983 Pantera GT5 - Norway J. Olsen
7. #9321 - 1984 Pantera GT5 - Sweden T. Tornblum
8. #9338 - 1984 Pantera GT5 - Sweden M. Daniels
9. #9359 - 1985 Pantera GT5 - Wisconsin M. Rudan
10. #9365 - 1985 Pantera GT5 - Australia
11. #9373 - 1985 Pantera GT5 - Florida
12. #9491 - 1988 Pantera GT5- Florida
13. #9517 - 1989 Pantera GT5 - Canada
14. #9491 - 1988 Pantera GT5- Florida
What is the "average" price for a conversion, including wheels&tires to clone a:
GT5 or a GT5-S. I heard using a Hall steel GT5-S kit is really hard to install$$
Just want to know what to expect if I did it myself or cheaper to buy one done.Thanks!
I have a question for PHILL1 did you see the 86 gt5s? If so what was it that you meant about it being a little rough? Any insite would be welcome as i may go see it soon and would like any info i can get.Thanks in advance.
Bob
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Wheels and tires alone will run you over $5,000 if you go the Campy clone route. You can spend much less if you go with a non-factory look. But it's not worth the savings, IMO, since I like the factory look. My personal preference.

Also, it's ALWAYS cheaper to buy a converted car than to do a conversion. These type cars do come up for sale occasionally. You just have to be careful and ensure the conversion was done correctly. The Hall GT-5S kit is very expensive and very difficult to install. You have to cutoff the existing fender and then weld in the -5S fenders. One such Hall converted car sold in the $80s within the last couple of years in Florida. I'm sure the seller lost money in this sale. An absolutely gorgeous specimen.

Or just buy a factory car.. I think PI has one for sale on their website. The increase in price from a GT-5 conversion or stock looking car really isn't that much. Maybe $15-20K tops? Despite their rarity, factory widebodies simply don't demand premium dollar. Not sure why.

Kevin


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Originally posted by hawaii:
What is the "average" price for a conversion, including wheels&tires to clone a:
GT5 or a GT5-S. I heard using a Hall steel GT5-S kit is really hard to install$$
Just want to know what to expect if I did it myself or cheaper to buy one done.Thanks!
Some more Pantera chassis numbers to update the list.
#9601, red, crashtested, Prototype with only one wiper on the windshield
#9603, black, Germany
#9611, black, Netherlands
#9627, red, Sweden
#9629, yellow, Japan
#9630, yellow, Switzerland
#9636, red, Switzerland, Targa
#9638, gold, Belgium, Targa
Franz
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Originally posted by deeb:
Here's an updated list of Detomaso Serial #s, locations and owners! There are quite a few new GT5 and GT5S cars listed.

4903 is no longer in Italy. It is sitting in my garage in Tennessee.
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Originally posted by laboss:
Not wanting to step on anybodys post but i was wondering if the yellow one you were refering to was the one in Va? I have talked to him but not viewed car.Just curious,have to sell my shelby first.Thanks


I believe the Yellow GT5S is listed through PI is in VA. The car appears to be in "good" condition and probably a good driver. Interior pictures reveal enough areas of wear or discoloration on the dash and leather areas that it might dictate a complete replacement depending on owners taste and preferences. Heck, I haven't seen the car but it looks pretty good to me. These are nickel and dime issues. Your real concerns should be rust concerns, how good is the paint? You can't really tell from the pictures, but they give a good impression. How good is the transmission and so forth. At 57k with two engines it is a good deal. If it is solid, buy it only if you love it. And last, remember that clones developed because the cost and difficulty of aquiring a real GT5 or GT5S put them out of reach of the typical Pantera buyer. Also, it is very difficult (would require complete engine replacement) to qualify a GT5S for smog in California. This fact persists today. Guess where PI and so many Panteras are?
Kevin,
Also remember there are many differneces between a cloned 71 to 74 GT5 or 5S compared to a factory original late bodied car. Flares are not the only difference, Interior, suspension and several other things were modified and or changed from 71-74 to the 80's wide bodied cars.
Cosmetic's were not the only changes.


Also, it's ALWAYS cheaper to buy a converted car than to do a conversion. These type cars do come up for sale occasionally. You just have to be careful and ensure the conversion was done correctly. The Hall GT-5S kit is very expensive and very difficult to install. You have to cutoff the existing fender and then weld in the -5S fenders. One such Hall converted car sold in the $80s within the last couple of years in Florida. I'm sure the seller lost money in this sale. An absolutely gorgeous specimen.

Or just buy a factory car.. I think PI has one for sale on their website. The increase in price from a GT-5 conversion or stock looking car really isn't that much. Maybe $15-20K tops? Despite their rarity, factory widebodies simply don't demand premium dollar. Not sure why.

Kevin


quote:
Originally posted by hawaii:
What is the "average" price for a conversion, including wheels&tires to clone a:
GT5 or a GT5-S. I heard using a Hall steel GT5-S kit is really hard to install$$
Just want to know what to expect if I did it myself or cheaper to buy one done.Thanks!
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That's true, Coz. That's why I said it's always cheaper to buy a converted car that's been done correctly. The conversion costs outweigh whatever financial gains one would reap from its sale. And as minimum, a proper conversion would include a full leather interior with a single pod dash.

But I'm afraid, most of the minor changes to conform to a late model car would not be worth the huge expense..such as the expensive Maserati A/C control unit and heavy GT-5 brakes, for example. Ever try to source these parts?

Nor would I want to convert to the later model's smogged 351W "truck" motor. Wink

On the other hand, a worthwhile detail to include in a conversion is changing to heavy-duty rear wheel bearings as in the GT-5(S) or the roller-type.

Kevin

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Originally posted by Coz:
Kevin,
Also remember there are many differneces between a cloned 71 to 74 GT5 or 5S compared to a factory original late bodied car. Flares are not the only difference, Interior, suspension and several other things were modified and or changed from 71-74 to the 80's wide bodied cars.
Cosmetic's were not the only changes.


Also, it's ALWAYS cheaper to buy a converted car than to do a conversion. These type cars do come up for sale occasionally. You just have to be careful and ensure the conversion was done correctly. The Hall GT-5S kit is very expensive and very difficult to install. You have to cutoff the existing fender and then weld in the -5S fenders. One such Hall converted car sold in the $80s within the last couple of years in Florida. I'm sure the seller lost money in this sale. An absolutely gorgeous specimen.

Or just buy a factory car.. I think PI has one for sale on their website. The increase in price from a GT-5 conversion or stock looking car really isn't that much. Maybe $15-20K tops? Despite their rarity, factory widebodies simply don't demand premium dollar. Not sure why.

Kevin


quote:
Originally posted by hawaii:
What is the "average" price for a conversion, including wheels&tires to clone a:
GT5 or a GT5-S. I heard using a Hall steel GT5-S kit is really hard to install$$
Just want to know what to expect if I did it myself or cheaper to buy one done.Thanks!
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