Factory fitted Holley

Charlie your number is differant from mine. I bet you have a better one than mine cause mine is so much older.
I don't have a tractor Doug. I have a push mower. My property is too steep for a tractor. Heck I usually fall down the hill at least once a year mowing as it is. I have what you call "vertical realestate". It means my property is one side of a mountain. It looks pretty unitl you go to mow it, then it is kind of a nightmare.
But getting back to why off road?? Maybe it was made for lambrogini?? They used to make tractors. Maybe DeTomaso used some spares mr. Labrogini had sitting around?? Who knows??

I inspected the carb on 9138 and it apears to be a 600 holley but the intake manifold looks like a Spread Bore style carb was stock. Meaning the secondaries are larger then the primaries. Further investigation will tell the tale.

Ron

Ron is that an alloy intake, or a cast iron?

De Tom,
I bought a new Holley 1850 600cfm.
This is marked as 'for off road use only' - but this is just to avoid the emissions legislation in some areas (e.g. USA and especially California). These older carb designs are not designed to meet current legislation.
For pre '75 cars here in the UK the law just demands a visual check of the smoke from the exhaust, no measurement.

Mr. Rapier, do you guys have smog over there in England? I was in Ireland once and didn't remember there being smog, but I would think England has more population density.

Nah, at 7 bucks a gallon we can't afford it.

Seriously,
Since they banned the burning of coal in London there isn't really any proper smog.
Air quality gets a bit c**p in London, Birmingham, Manchester etc on quiet summer days but I've never really noticed any.

Well what do you think all that green stuff is in Ere?

That carb of Charlie's (list 7154) looks like it's a metering plate on both sides instead of a block with jets - is that so?

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Originally posted by DeTom:
...SO my euro-GTS says it is a Holley 4777-4, ...

Charlie & DeTom, thanks for posting your carb data.

DeTom yours is a 650 cfm model 4150 (double pump, mechaical linkage, dual metering blocks).

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Originally posted by Charlie McCall:
...Here ya go George, Took me a little while to find where I had it stashed, but this was the stock carb on my '85 5-S. You wanna know about the intake?? ;-)

Charlie yours lists as a 600 cfm model 4160 (single accelerator pump, vacuum secondaries, secondary metering plate).

Charlie, I can tell you that your Australian sourced motor has heads with 2V sized ports and open combustion chambers. I am assuming it is a late model motor, therefore the oem ignition was a Bosch breakerless system and the original carb on that motor was a spread bore Carter Thermoquad mated to a cast iron spread bore intake manifold with small 2V size runners and exhaust gas recirc. That intake was probably removed by DeTomaso and replaced with the Holley street dominator.

How did I do?

your friend on the DTBB

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Originally posted by george pence:
Charlie yours lists as a 600 cfm model 4160 (single accelerator pump, vacuum secondaries, secondary metering plate).

Charlie, I can tell you that your Australian sourced motor has heads with 2V sized ports and open combustion chambers. I am assuming it is a late model motor, therefore the oem ignition was a Bosch breakerless system and the original carb on that motor was a spread bore Carter Thermoquad mated to a cast iron spread bore intake manifold with small 2V size runners and exhaust gas recirc. That intake was probably removed by DeTomaso and replaced with the Holley street dominator.

How did I do?

your friend on the DTBB

\hey George,
First of all, congrats on the 1900 post level... That's pretty exceptional!

And congrats on your "guess"... you are pretty much right on! Those heads are in my guest room closet, as they have been replaced with 2v closed chamber Aussie heads. I honestly don't remember what ignition I had. The stock distributor is in another closet at home. And you were right on - DeTomaso installed a Holley Street Dominator, which is sitting on top of the stock heads in the guest room closet.

It's 6pm over here - I'd say you won yourself a beer!

Its 8:45 AM here on the west coast Charlie, can I put that beer on my corn flakes?

One other detail I could have thrown in, if I'm correct that your motor was a late model Aussie motor, the block & heads would have been painted black, the valve covers & air filter would have been painted silver. The early model Aussie motors were Ford blue.

take care

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DeTom yours is a 650 cfm model 4150 (double pump, mechaical linkage, dual metering blocks).


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Pretty darn good George. Almost spooky. But now geuss what color eyes I got.

Ha, ha, ha....

OK DeTom, I've got the eye question partially figured out!

One of them is brown, the color of the other two I have no idea.......

Karnak, your all knowing friend on the DTBB

Yes George, I am a quart low.

George its an Cast Iron intake. What I was wondering if it was a spreadbore intake did it come with an Autolite Carb or a Holley ? One side looks like a standard intake and the other like the secondarys are larger. Today I took the air cleaner off and laid a blanket in there and was about to take it apart and said to my self "no way" if I take it apart it will turn into a compete resto. I already have one of those going on. LOL over the weekend I may get up enough nerve to investigate further.
Ron

OK Ron, a real quick run down on the Aussie Clevelands that deTomaso had to draw from.

First, Australia never cast ONE large port (4V) head, ever. All the 4V motors in Australia were imported from the US between 1970 & 1974; they imported M code, R code & Q code motors. There were stock piles of spare M code & Q code motors remaining in Australia after Ford ceased importation in 1974.

The Australian manufactured 351C with 4 barrell carb had heads with 2V size ports and open combustion chambers. That's the only way they made 'em. The popular Aussie heads with 2V ports AND closed combustion chambers were all installed on the 302C. Australia manufactured a 302 cubic inch Cleveland as well (3.00 inch stroke & 6.02" rods).

The Australian manufactured 351C 4 barrel carb motors were first equipped with the Autolite 4300A carb, 600 cfm, square bore design. These went into Falcon XB models ('73 to '76), the engines were Ford blue. The Falcon XC ('76 to '79) also got a blue engine, but Ford swapped to a Carter Thermoquad spread bore carb. The Carter Thermoquad has a hole pattern like the Rochester Quadrajet, the primaries are spread far apart. The Autolite 4300D spread bore carb has primaries that are nestled close together, therefore the Autolite 4300D carb will not exchange with a Thermoquad. But the Quadrajet will. The 351C 4 barrel motors installed in the Falcon XD ('79 to '82) and XE ('82 to '84) also had spread bore carbs. The motors were "metricized", the air filter decals read 5.8 liter. The metricized motors were painted black, the valve covers & air filter were painted silver. The engines were more smog tuned in the XD & XE Falcons too. The Cleveland was last produced in 1982, last fitted in the XE Falcon. Remember, all of the engines above had small 2V size intake & exhaust ports & open combustion chambers. Somewhere along the line, I'm uncertain with which Falcon model, a Bosch electronic distributor was added. The Bosch distributor had a slightly smaller shaft than the earlier breaker point distributor. This means the hole inside the block that the distributor shaft mates with is smaller diameter, and US distributors don't fit unless the hole is machined larger.

Australian Clevelands left over after 1982 were sold to deTomaso and, in a twist of fate, exported to the US.

Study hard, you will be quized.

Your friend on the DTBB

George.

Thanks ... from what I see from arms distance .. the heads have the little 4 up in the corner near the valve cover ... the owner had a paint can in his hand so I'm not sure of the color .. its dark blue ... so black could have been the base coat .. it has a set of factory alum valve covers but not detomaso's. It has a Hall Pantera upgraded ingnition system to a Duraspark ... I'm very curiuos to see whats in the car. I have to say the car is much faster then 6479.

Ron

> Australia never cast ONE large port (4V) head, ever

Actually, they did but not for production engines. When the inventories of
4V heads ran out in the mid-seventies, Ford Australia cast another batch in
1976. The 1976 re-casts were modified "D1AE-GA" castings and will bear that
number under the intake ports. They incorporated revisions to minimise
warpage, especially at the ends of the heads where the large square holes
meet the block surface. These heads were machined asstandard 351-C 4V heads
(Part # D1AZ-6049-B) and also as Boss 351 heads (Part #D1ZZ-6049-B). Both
used the same common casting, differing only in rocker pedestal and spring
seat machining differences. The casting dates were typically June, 1976.
There was also a further production batch made in March of 1978, these
supposedly had a little more meat added to backs of the chambers (directly
under the rocker pedestal) to minimize flexing under the the rigors of NASCAR
abuse.

Dan Jones