Sounds like a sound proposition.
I would wager that the Coyote block will fit, and there are always solutions around intake manifolds -- even if it is garage engineered.
Best of luck and keep us all in the loop.
Mark
Here's an installation of the new Boss 302 manifold:
http://www.mylrs.com/blogs/lrs...ke-installation.aspx
http://www.mylrs.com/blogs/lrs...ke-installation.aspx
Let me start this off by saying I am not an expert.
I was over my friend's place this weekend. He has a 5.0 in a Ford GT. The intake he called a roadrunner intake - I am not sure what that is - but he flipped it 180 degress. The only issue is that there are 2 bosses for electrical wire harness hold downs. He said it was easy to modify those with a small grinder.
He also mentioned that the motor is SLIGHTLY narrower then a 4.6L. I believe he said 760mm across at the widest point.
Just the messenger.
I was over my friend's place this weekend. He has a 5.0 in a Ford GT. The intake he called a roadrunner intake - I am not sure what that is - but he flipped it 180 degress. The only issue is that there are 2 bosses for electrical wire harness hold downs. He said it was easy to modify those with a small grinder.
He also mentioned that the motor is SLIGHTLY narrower then a 4.6L. I believe he said 760mm across at the widest point.
Just the messenger.
Fabulous! Thanks Pantera2077 for a little more info. Any chance he or you took some pictures? Pictures are worth a thousand words.
Why, may I ask, did he put the 5.0 in his GT (which had an awesome dry-sump supercharged 5.4 in the first place), or was it a GT40 kit car?
I am excited to call my contact tomorrow- I believe he may have finally took some measurements for this over the weekend.
I also looked into the cost of the crate motor, shipped here at Westland Ford, a local dealer that also sells Ford Racing parts. It appears reasonable, but I'm also going to look for salvage motors.
I am tempted to go talk to a Ford dealer and see if they won't let me take some quick measurements with a tape measure. I'll probably go back to the same dealer since they sell the parts and will understand.
Why, may I ask, did he put the 5.0 in his GT (which had an awesome dry-sump supercharged 5.4 in the first place), or was it a GT40 kit car?
I am excited to call my contact tomorrow- I believe he may have finally took some measurements for this over the weekend.
I also looked into the cost of the crate motor, shipped here at Westland Ford, a local dealer that also sells Ford Racing parts. It appears reasonable, but I'm also going to look for salvage motors.
I am tempted to go talk to a Ford dealer and see if they won't let me take some quick measurements with a tape measure. I'll probably go back to the same dealer since they sell the parts and will understand.
Sorry, no pics.
He already has one Ford GT that he put back together. He is building a car from scratch. Please understand that this effort is NOT a kit. Scratch means flat pieces of steel. Finally, he is restoring an original GT40 as well for a museum.
I am not sure what he is doing with this one. It too was a wreck and he is putting it back together. His work is amazing.
One of the online places had an engine assembly for $6100.
Have you thought about any issues with the oil pan and clearance there?
He already has one Ford GT that he put back together. He is building a car from scratch. Please understand that this effort is NOT a kit. Scratch means flat pieces of steel. Finally, he is restoring an original GT40 as well for a museum.
I am not sure what he is doing with this one. It too was a wreck and he is putting it back together. His work is amazing.
One of the online places had an engine assembly for $6100.
Have you thought about any issues with the oil pan and clearance there?
As I understand it, the oil pan is almost exactly the same as the 4.6. There are pictures of the oil pans and they are very closely related. The oil level sender is on the opposite side of the 4.6. The Boss 302R oil pan is baffled, so I might look at that. The Boss 302R pan is part #6675-M50BR.
Were there clearance issues on the GT40? Our Panteras might have more clearance than a GT40, but I could be wrong.
760 mm is about 29.9 inches, which is about the same as a 4.6 DOHC modular engine. Overall height and fender clearance seem like bigger issues to me.
Were there clearance issues on the GT40? Our Panteras might have more clearance than a GT40, but I could be wrong.
760 mm is about 29.9 inches, which is about the same as a 4.6 DOHC modular engine. Overall height and fender clearance seem like bigger issues to me.
Corey,
No clearance issues I could see, but then my friend is such a good fabricator you could not tell what was replaced and what was there from the factory.
No clearance issues I could see, but then my friend is such a good fabricator you could not tell what was replaced and what was there from the factory.
i just love our carb't 351 C engine 
.... for all that sofisticated stuff..let's wait the new Pantera 
... no ????
.... for all that sofisticated stuff..let's wait the new Pantera ... no ????
To each his or her own. Modern tech is a Pantera is pretty cool. Some might consider it for fuel economy and drivablility. If you can get at least double the mileage with 444 hp and in a few years gas is equal to where it is in Europe that can be pretty attractive.
quote:Originally posted by pantera2077:
To each his or her own. Modern tech is a Pantera is pretty cool. Some might consider it for fuel economy and drivablility. If you can get at least double the mileage with 444 hp and in a few years gas is equal to where it is in Europe that can be pretty attractive.
I totally agree! We get 19-22 MPG with 480HP! It is way better then what we were getting before....
i totally agree if one consider his Pantera as almost a daily or for great mileage....mine is just a sunday toy , so i fill it up in the morning and drive as i stole it till empty
for the price of a gastank fuel a week i can't swap the engine ..no ? sure not as long that 351C is running good .... ok, if that one should go down , i would look for a more modern replacement also ... at first tought... but then again we have the "originality" which , sure in Europe, reflects the cars value....
for the price of a gastank fuel a week i can't swap the engine ..no ? sure not as long that 351C is running good .... ok, if that one should go down , i would look for a more modern replacement also ... at first tought... but then again we have the "originality" which , sure in Europe, reflects the cars value....
Just heard of this:
http://www.svtperformance.com/...-0-coyote-motor.html
Looks like it can be fitted. Now we'll wait to see if it fits under his decklid.
Corey
http://www.svtperformance.com/...-0-coyote-motor.html
Looks like it can be fitted. Now we'll wait to see if it fits under his decklid.
Corey
Hey Corey,
That looks right up your alley!!!
Do you still have time to go that direction or will the 351C be going in your car for now?
Take care, Scott
That looks right up your alley!!!
Do you still have time to go that direction or will the 351C be going in your car for now?
Take care, Scott
Scott,
I don't know at this point. I've got some money in the Cleveland block, but nothing else and have since sold a few parts. I want to contact the guy who is doing the conversion first.
I'm not the only one contemplating this conversion...
Corey
I don't know at this point. I've got some money in the Cleveland block, but nothing else and have since sold a few parts. I want to contact the guy who is doing the conversion first.
I'm not the only one contemplating this conversion...
Corey
Scott,
With your LS3 installation.
What is the Bell-housing bolt pattern on the LS3, is it the same as the earlier 350 Chevy?
Do you have a picture of the front of your engine installed, clearance around the firewall etc?
Many Thanks.
Regards,
Tony.
With your LS3 installation.
What is the Bell-housing bolt pattern on the LS3, is it the same as the earlier 350 Chevy?
Do you have a picture of the front of your engine installed, clearance around the firewall etc?
Many Thanks.
Regards,
Tony.
Corey and I have been going back and forth on this topic for several months.
We have both agreed that it would fit.
The vehicle I had measured up was with a BOSS style intake and from what I could determine there would be some significant decklid issues, but I think they could be resolved.
A stock intake should work out well, but maybe some decklid issues.
I think several different kinds of supercharger kits will work out as well. Intake air would be the toughest challenge to make functional and look good.
We have both agreed that it would fit.
The vehicle I had measured up was with a BOSS style intake and from what I could determine there would be some significant decklid issues, but I think they could be resolved.
A stock intake should work out well, but maybe some decklid issues.
I think several different kinds of supercharger kits will work out as well. Intake air would be the toughest challenge to make functional and look good.
quote:What is the Bell-housing bolt pattern on the LS3, is it the same as the earlier 350 Chevy?
Do you have a picture of the front of your engine installed, clearance around the firewall etc?
Hi Tony,
The bolt pattern between the LS3 and the Small Block is the same with the exception of an extra bolt for the small block.
Tons of pictures are available at:
http://s1008.photobucket.com/a...ntera/Z06%20Pantera/
I don't want to hijack the thread so lets start a new thread if you have additional questions.
Take care, Scott
I am the one with the coyote motor in the Pantera that Corey posted a link too. Pantera2077 Tell Jim D hi. I know Jim as I do for Gt stuff too..
Anyways i will post some pics of it all done in the next fews days or next week when i get it out of storage to sell it. By the way the coyote fits the best out of any mod motor i have seen with the least amount of modifications to the chassis.
Dan
Anyways i will post some pics of it all done in the next fews days or next week when i get it out of storage to sell it. By the way the coyote fits the best out of any mod motor i have seen with the least amount of modifications to the chassis.
Dan
I thought that Wilkinson had already done a half dozen?
Last time I talked to Steve, he hadn't done any. He did dozens of modular conversions, though.