That was Steve's car
Yes, that was my car. I sold it last year to a buyer in Wisconsin. I think it has sold since his failed attempt on BAT. The owner in Wisconsin commissioned a dealer in New York to present the car on BAT and their photography and videos were incredibly well done but I think the dealer fumbled badly when describing the car. Also, I think BAT is a very rushed way to try to sell a car like #1313.
Here is what is listed in the ProvaMO registry on your car:
The Model Year : 1971
The Model : Pantera PB
The Market : USA
The Build Date : 4/1/1971
The short VIN : 1376
Rear Plate Panel Size : Narrow
Deck lid Type : Flat
Drive Side : LHD
Rear Wing or Spoiler : None
The Engine Type : 351C
Reported Mileage : Unknown
Body Service Num :0
The Motor Number : 0
Does Block # Match: False
Transaxle Number : 0
The Original Color : Bronze Metallic
The Current Color : Gray
The Interior Color : Black
The Condition : Modified - Driven
Front Wheel Diameter : 17
Rear Wheel Diameter : 17
Front Wheel Width : Unknown
Rear Wheel Width : Unknown
Front Tires : Unknown
Rear Tires : Unknown
State of Ownership : CA
Country of Ownership: USA
What I meant on thickness of paint is a professional will take measurements all over car to see what was done. Any body repairs etc. Extra thick paint is not good. It tends to chip off.
@panterapatt posted:Here is what is listed in the ProvaMO registry on your car:
The Model Year : 1971
The Model : Pantera PB
The Market : USA
The Build Date : 4/1/1971
The short VIN : 1376
Rear Plate Panel Size : Narrow
Deck lid Type : Flat
Drive Side : LHD
Rear Wing or Spoiler : None
The Engine Type : 351C
Reported Mileage : Unknown
Body Service Num :0
The Motor Number : 0
Does Block # Match: False
Transaxle Number : 0
The Original Color : Bronze Metallic
The Current Color : Gray
The Interior Color : Black
The Condition : Modified - Driven
Front Wheel Diameter : 17
Rear Wheel Diameter : 17
Front Wheel Width : Unknown
Rear Wheel Width : Unknown
Front Tires : Unknown
Rear Tires : Unknown
State of Ownership : CA
Country of Ownership: USA
Ahh super cool, thanks. I had the order of the paint jobs wrong.
The value of a pushbutton is in originality, fortunately it looks like you have all the original parts and then bronze metallic is a rare color. That said there's a good deal of work to get it to a quality that would demand top value, it truly depends whether you have the time and inclination to restore it, if that would be a check book restoration then you are unlikely to see much of a return on your additional investment IMO.
I'd say when done it could easily be a $150k car, but I'd estimate $65-80k as it sits, the lower number reflective of non running condition, the upper if you can demonstrate it starts and drives. Just my opinion in current market, others may disagree, but no one has yet provided their opinion on the question posed to value.
PS. I'd lose the nitrous bottle before circulating further photos!
I agree with joules. The 1 of 1 black push button I sold was perfect and had the original single slot wheels plus a set of 10" gts wheel and did not bring 150k. It brought 135k after 100k restoration on a nice driver car.
21 cars have sold or bid up to a value and stalled on BaT since May of 23 for an average price of $98K. The high sale was a "unicorn" original car with 10K miles on it with originality dripping off it. Given the state of your car and the amount of modifications done to it, and assuming you do not have the means to conduct total restoration of such a car, you would be well over $100K paying somebody to do it. Steve's highly restored pushbutton which he did himself stalled at $102K just last month. You would have to really want to keep the car to spend that kind of money and I certainly would question doing it "as an investment" as the return would be many years off. As it stands - I agree with Joules on pricing as is but $150K is a long wait and depends on finding the right buyer in a sea of talkers.
In 2022 my white pushbutton #1313 sold for $162,500 while on consignment at Hillbank Motorsport in Irvine. The lion's share of Pantera buyers want a Pantera that looks mostly stock but has performance upgrades to the drivetrain and suspension. Thus the number of potential buyers for a car like #1313 is very limited. I think the checkbook cost to make #1376 (the car in this posting) similar to #1313 would be more like $100k to $150k. I see projects like that at Wilkinson's over and over.
An original pushbutton can be a difficult car to sell. It is nearly impossible for a private seller to get the top price. Help from an experienced dealer or Pantera professional is pretty much mandatory. Using BAT for an original pushbutton is likely a waste of time and money as we have seen.
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Honestly, I don’t know how Wilkinson does it. He’s very successful, but do people not realize they can spend over 100K there (sometimes way more than that)?
Do you think people go in with their eyes open, or are surprised at the final duration and price tag?
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Anyway… I don’t know the price, but this car (1310) stayed here in Arizona… Very original time capsule. The original owner was Jack Furrier, who ran a tire dealership here in Tucson.
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I think there are lots of people with lots of money and don't care what it costs - just want it and buy it and don't really think what it will sell for 5 years later. Normally, collector cars go up in value which is why they are called "collector" and hence the justification to restore one.
The black push button I sold was not mine. I had a history with BAT and was able to help a friend sell it.
#1310 and #1313 are sister cars. Both are white pushbuttons. I used the photos in Provamo along with photos from an ad for #1310 when assembling #1313. #1310 is the most original and unrestored pushbutton I know of and was a helpful guide for putting #1313 back together especially since I got it in boxes. Below is photo of #1313 after the restoration project was completed.
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Really great looking cars, both!
@marlinjack What could go wrong? hopefully it's really, really tight.