One more of the original design with a black trim bezel. Both of the AmeriSport designs have a separate bulb mounting plate and fender to light cover bezels for easy painting if body color trim is preferred as in previous pictures.
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quote:remain the highs quality best finishing design available
Of course, that statement is a matter of opinion!!!
The SACC Quad headlight system opening height can be adjusted from 5 1/4 inch opening height to as low as 4 1/4 inch opening height as measured from the top of the fender to the top of the bucket.
I will post a picture of the lights installed at this height in a moment.
Our standard price for this high quality system is only $598.45 for the DOT version. Our lights come per-assembled and can be installed in as little as 1 hour. We also offer a chrome plated version for those that want that extra bling. Our bezels are made from steel and are laser cut to precise tolerances.
I will post a picture of the lights installed at this height in a moment.
Our standard price for this high quality system is only $598.45 for the DOT version. Our lights come per-assembled and can be installed in as little as 1 hour. We also offer a chrome plated version for those that want that extra bling. Our bezels are made from steel and are laser cut to precise tolerances.
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quote:Originally posted by Kirk Evans:
Here are some shots of the new Cat Eye Squints. The pictures are from Alex's 5555 GT4. I will post some detail shots of the construction later.
Kirk,
Another truly awesome product, what's the chances of sporting a set on my GT5 in time for the Fun Rally to show them off.
Julian
I also like the look of the low rise quad eye light conversion for the Pantera. After looking through this thread I kept remembering a black GT5 with a Xeon H.I.D. system that I ran across when I first bought my Pantera a few years ago. After searching for a while I found the car – Paul H’s GT5.
Ever since seeing Paul H’s headlights when I first bought my car I have wanted to do the low rise quad eye conversion. I know there is a difference between Xeon H.I.D. and the 90mm & 60mm Hella version but they all look pretty good to me.
Here is a link to his photo gallery and information Larry Wu: H.I.D. Xenon dual projector conversion w/ carbon fiber bezel. It looks like Paul H’s conversion was done back in 2005.
I have posted a picture of the Headlights (Paul H – if you want to me to remove it let me know). If you want to see a lot more details and pictures take look on the link above.
Devin
(H.I.D. Xenon dual projector conversion with a carbon fiber bezel by Larry Wu)
Ever since seeing Paul H’s headlights when I first bought my car I have wanted to do the low rise quad eye conversion. I know there is a difference between Xeon H.I.D. and the 90mm & 60mm Hella version but they all look pretty good to me.
Here is a link to his photo gallery and information Larry Wu: H.I.D. Xenon dual projector conversion w/ carbon fiber bezel. It looks like Paul H’s conversion was done back in 2005.
I have posted a picture of the Headlights (Paul H – if you want to me to remove it let me know). If you want to see a lot more details and pictures take look on the link above.
Devin
(H.I.D. Xenon dual projector conversion with a carbon fiber bezel by Larry Wu)
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Be careful with an HID conversion as it is not legal and if, (heaven forbid), someone was killed in an accident, because they were blinded by on coming headlights, you could find yourself in hot water. It has happened...
quote:Originally posted by Z06 Pantera:
Be careful with an HID conversion as it is not legal...
Thanks Scott. I did not know that.
Devin,
I believe Larry Wu works in the light industry and may be a real-deal engineer. The law is for conversion kits that get installed into non HID housing. The problem is the HID light wave is totally different in shape so the reflectors from non HID lights are simply not the correct shape to utilize the photons correctly. If you install HID bulbs into a non HID housing and do a side by side comparison using the correct HID bulbs and housing, the true HID lights will be noticeably better. I believe Larry Wu uses HID bulbs removed from a production car---his system is very well engineered and is quite detailed---very well built.
I believe Larry Wu works in the light industry and may be a real-deal engineer. The law is for conversion kits that get installed into non HID housing. The problem is the HID light wave is totally different in shape so the reflectors from non HID lights are simply not the correct shape to utilize the photons correctly. If you install HID bulbs into a non HID housing and do a side by side comparison using the correct HID bulbs and housing, the true HID lights will be noticeably better. I believe Larry Wu uses HID bulbs removed from a production car---his system is very well engineered and is quite detailed---very well built.
quote:Originally posted by Joules5:quote:Originally posted by Kirk Evans:
Here are some shots of the new Cat Eye Squints. The pictures are from Alex's 5555 GT4. I will post some detail shots of the construction later.
Kirk,
Another truly awesome product, what's the chances of sporting a set on my GT5 in time for the Fun Rally to show them off.
Julian
Julian,
Yes they are in stock so if you give me a call today on my cell 419-344-8148 I can ship tomorrow/Friday---home today with a very sick grandson.
And thank you for the complement---very kind.
Kirk
"Of course, that statement is a matter ofquote:Originally posted by Z06 Pantera:quote:remain the highs quality best finishing design available
Often I am unable to read the entire post before responding and missed the “matter of opinion” quote. It is never my intention or desire to put down another venders product attempting to make my own comparable part to appear better. That said, I am an engineer and designer and often find those 2 conflicting aspects to be a problem during a project causing me to kick my own ass! It has been very important to me personally to produce items that are engineered well, produced using the best limited production techniques and materials, but still having superior design cosmetics to enhance the finished appearance. I’ve designed and built many parts for the Pantera, other cars and many items not automotive related using this philosophy throughout my career.
The SACC products appear to be well built and the car workmanship displayed is quite impressive---Thumbs up Scott. Your
opinion!!!" I do agree with so it would be best to let the Pantera community make there own decision by viewing AmeriSport and SACC lights close-up side by side and comparing. This is not to put forth any negatives about either light style---just a visual comparison of the 2 types.
Just a quick clarification on the install issue---AmeriSport lights can also be installed with the buckets remaining in the car and if you prefer to have the lamps lower, Cat Eye Quads can be lowered to 4.0” overall height and adjusted accordingly. This will drop the bezel far below the fender opening and will add stress to the bulb adjusters. I recommend keeping them at the designed opening height for ease of adjustment and finish appearance. The lower you set the bucket, the more angle up is required to set the bulb which mis-aligns it in the mount and bezel causing more it stresses the bulb adjuster mounts which are plastic. To go the max if you wish, you can drop our lights to 3.99782” and a fingernail clipping---so there! Made you laugh.
Price is an issue but so are the details IMHO----Let's compare.
First comparison picture is of the AmeriSport trim bezel. Each edge is properly finished with a similar radius to match the factory fender. The AmeriSport bulb adjusters are recessed behind the small holes pictured and are mostly hidden from view. The adjusters were designed for the 90mm lights and are provided by Hella installed, lights assembled and ready to install. The bezel can be easily removed leaving the light assembly installed for painting your choice of color or for repairs if needed. The trim bezels are hand laminated using a high temp resin, mat and cloth reinforced composite.
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Second comparison is the SACC light mount and trim combination. The light mounting button head bolts are stainless steel and always exposed. The edge details are as recieved shown untouched. Painting of any type requires a total disassembly of the lights including the adjuster screw removal. Adjusters are back nut-ed with nylon lock nuts allowing the socket head adjuster to spin and hold the light in place. Paint damage could appear from the adjuster screws since they are in direct contact with the mount/trim plate as shown. Power coat should be OK---body color repaint could be a problem.
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AmeriSport installed bezel shape detail. I staggered the lights to improve the lower lip shape in an effort to follow the original bucket thickness. The outr low beams are set back about 3/8 of an inch behind the high beam bulbs. This is not a performance issue, just a cosmetic preference detail.
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All of the light kits work well and should be fine in most applications. Details cost time and money as well as creating a product from scratch. I have many more comparison pictures if there is interest.
The following shot shows the new AmersSport 60mm bezel under construction last fall compared to the First generation AmeriSport Cat Eye Quad 90mm version.
The following shot shows the new AmersSport 60mm bezel under construction last fall compared to the First generation AmeriSport Cat Eye Quad 90mm version.
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Not sure where you got the SACC bezels but they were obviously an unfinished set. Most of ours are sold powder-coated and look beautiful. When installed they look great. Why don't you compare a finished set side by side.
When I look at the pictures you provided I have to agree that yours look better. But you were not comparing apples to apples. Get them side by side, installed on the car.
I can tell you many of my customers have said they like the SACC units much better in FIT and AESTHETICS.
Not sure why you decided to try and bash my products. I never once said ANYTHING against yours. I even said yours were one of the styles that look factory.
You can say things like the screw heads are exposed. YES, they are. That was on purpose! That was a design feature! I personally don't like the six holes in your design.
You talk about the finished edges and show a set of my bezels that are not done. With my design the edge of the metal is hidden because the bulb protrudes further that yours so it is not seen. Yes, without bulbs installed it doesn't look finished.
I admire the work you have done but don't appreciate you bashing my products.
I will let the hundreds of customers that have purchased my lights be the judge.
I stand behind my design and the $600.00 price tag. Your $875.00 price tag is why I got into the market in the first place.
Enough said!
When I look at the pictures you provided I have to agree that yours look better. But you were not comparing apples to apples. Get them side by side, installed on the car.
I can tell you many of my customers have said they like the SACC units much better in FIT and AESTHETICS.
Not sure why you decided to try and bash my products. I never once said ANYTHING against yours. I even said yours were one of the styles that look factory.
You can say things like the screw heads are exposed. YES, they are. That was on purpose! That was a design feature! I personally don't like the six holes in your design.
You talk about the finished edges and show a set of my bezels that are not done. With my design the edge of the metal is hidden because the bulb protrudes further that yours so it is not seen. Yes, without bulbs installed it doesn't look finished.
I admire the work you have done but don't appreciate you bashing my products.
I will let the hundreds of customers that have purchased my lights be the judge.
I stand behind my design and the $600.00 price tag. Your $875.00 price tag is why I got into the market in the first place.
Enough said!
Do any of these set ups come with bulbs that comply for driving on the left side of road in countries such as Australia etc? Or I think we might have to buy approved DOT bulbs in our own countries?
... and installed. AWESOME !
The only change I made was to install PIAA bulbs with a cooler color temperature, to match the color temperature of my LED daytime running lights. I'm also using the Pantera Electronics Headlamp Controller, which allows the low beams to stay on with the high beams.
The only change I made was to install PIAA bulbs with a cooler color temperature, to match the color temperature of my LED daytime running lights. I'm also using the Pantera Electronics Headlamp Controller, which allows the low beams to stay on with the high beams.
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Here is an example of some of the feedback I have received to dispel any remarks made by Kirk regarding the quality and attention to detail of my headlights!
“Just got my new headlights in that came from Scott at SACC Restorations. They were very easy to install and work great. Now I can see far enough to “drive” in the dark and feel comfortable. If you are looking to upgrade your lights Scott’s prices are good and product is excellent.”
“Thank you once again for the outstanding product, customer service and personal attention to detail that you gave to the Pantera headlight modification. Every Pantera still on the road should have your lights, needless to say it came out perfect. Your instructions were spot-on and it only took about 2 hours to completely revamp the frog-eyes into something that looks factory, thanks to your work.”
“I just opened the box and wow!!! These are absolutely beautiful. I hope they work as good as they look.”
“I installed the lights the other day and it couldn’t have been any easier. It took me less than an hour to do both sides. The instructions are pretty detailed.”
Scott
“Just got my new headlights in that came from Scott at SACC Restorations. They were very easy to install and work great. Now I can see far enough to “drive” in the dark and feel comfortable. If you are looking to upgrade your lights Scott’s prices are good and product is excellent.”
“Thank you once again for the outstanding product, customer service and personal attention to detail that you gave to the Pantera headlight modification. Every Pantera still on the road should have your lights, needless to say it came out perfect. Your instructions were spot-on and it only took about 2 hours to completely revamp the frog-eyes into something that looks factory, thanks to your work.”
“I just opened the box and wow!!! These are absolutely beautiful. I hope they work as good as they look.”
“I installed the lights the other day and it couldn’t have been any easier. It took me less than an hour to do both sides. The instructions are pretty detailed.”
Scott
quote:Do any of these set ups come with bulbs that comply for driving on the left side of road in countries such as Australia etc? Or I think we might have to buy approved DOT bulbs in our own countries?
Yes, the ECE version can be clocked for right hand drive countries...
Not sure why you decided to try and bash my products. I never once said ANYTHING against yours. I even said yours were one of the styles that look factory.
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Scott,
This was not attempt to bash anyone product and would not have occurred if the "opinion" comment had not been posted. This was a side by side visual comparison with a few tec comments posted so the Pantera community can compare on accurate info to spend a bit more or not----based on their own "opinion".
I also complimented your parts and workmanship so this is not personal just getting the information exposed. I work with all of the venders in many capacitys and wish all great success including you and yours.
Kirk Evans --- AmeriSport ---
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Scott,
This was not attempt to bash anyone product and would not have occurred if the "opinion" comment had not been posted. This was a side by side visual comparison with a few tec comments posted so the Pantera community can compare on accurate info to spend a bit more or not----based on their own "opinion".
I also complimented your parts and workmanship so this is not personal just getting the information exposed. I work with all of the venders in many capacitys and wish all great success including you and yours.
Kirk Evans --- AmeriSport ---
By the way to my customers with Cat Eye Quads, if you feel the need to post positive or negative comments about them, feel free. If any negatives show up which can improve my quality, God bless the info.
quote:Originally posted by wildpantera:
Do any of these set ups come with bulbs that comply for driving on the left side of road in countries such as Australia etc? Or I think we might have to buy approved DOT bulbs in our own countries?
Yes to your question on either type of AmeriSport lights---first design or new design.
I have been messing around with Mustangs for some time now. Aftermarket performance parts for these cars are fairly affordable. Once I got my Pantera I was shocked to see how much the "vendors" wanted for performance parts. Take the chassis braces for example, they are wayyy over priced for what they are. I made my own but thats another story. I applaude any vendor small or large that can make quality parts for our cars at a reasonable price. That said, I do not believe that Pantera parts can be made at the Muatang price point as that is a much broader market for those cars. I do believe however prices for our Pantera parts should not cost so much. The bottom line is I look at cost and quality. If quality is similar I go for cost. There I said it.
Of all the products displayed here, from what I see, they all have advantages AND disadvantages.
I don't see where any of you as manufactures should get your proverbial noses out of joint and call foul because it isn't you who are going to make the final determinations on which way to go, it is the purchasers.
I can see why and where the design positions and executions have emanated from. Frankly though, I can see where all have not taken design advantages that are available aesthetically.
There is an opportunity here to tie new technology to a common denominator of the original school of Italian design SPIRIT emanating from that era.
I am disappointed by that. Maybe I just expect too much?
To me, Wu's solution comes closer aesthetically to where the cover plate angle should be. Vadar II approaches it as well with the angularity of the cover plate but looses in the attempt to keep the bucket top too low and the bucket bottom not being even with the fender opening.
I think for me aesthetics ultimately will sell these kits.
This debate has been a tremendous help to me simply because I just don't see the kit that says, that's how the factory would have done it (or should have done it), that's it, that's the one, it's perfect, I gotta have it.
I have to admit that quality is really a great commodity to have, but I can't help but wonder if this is a case where design aesthetics have suffered from too much quality and this is an example of the Chinese proverb of don't set a cannon to kill a mosquito?
I don't see where any of you as manufactures should get your proverbial noses out of joint and call foul because it isn't you who are going to make the final determinations on which way to go, it is the purchasers.
I can see why and where the design positions and executions have emanated from. Frankly though, I can see where all have not taken design advantages that are available aesthetically.
There is an opportunity here to tie new technology to a common denominator of the original school of Italian design SPIRIT emanating from that era.
I am disappointed by that. Maybe I just expect too much?
To me, Wu's solution comes closer aesthetically to where the cover plate angle should be. Vadar II approaches it as well with the angularity of the cover plate but looses in the attempt to keep the bucket top too low and the bucket bottom not being even with the fender opening.
I think for me aesthetics ultimately will sell these kits.
This debate has been a tremendous help to me simply because I just don't see the kit that says, that's how the factory would have done it (or should have done it), that's it, that's the one, it's perfect, I gotta have it.
I have to admit that quality is really a great commodity to have, but I can't help but wonder if this is a case where design aesthetics have suffered from too much quality and this is an example of the Chinese proverb of don't set a cannon to kill a mosquito?
Here are some pictures of the SACC units painted...
Lets get along.
I have the original Amerisport lights on my Pantera, and Scott sent a set of his lights to me years ago for review, so I can make a direct comparison.
Both lights used the same sockets and bulbs, so the working parts were of identical quality. The Amerisport bezel is fiberglass, the SACC bezel is steel. The Amerisport adjustment screws are recessed, you have to stick a small screwdriver through a hole in the bezel to adjust the lights, the SACC adjustment screws are exposed, flush with the bezel. The workmanship of both lights is very good. They are both easy to install. There is a difference in price.
If an owner narrows his/her choices to these two products, its a matter of choosing the one with the qualities that appeal most to him/her; i.e. steel verses fiberglass, exposed verses recessed adjusters, or price. You can't go wrong with either choice, and that's not me just being politically correct, its the truth.
-G
I have the original Amerisport lights on my Pantera, and Scott sent a set of his lights to me years ago for review, so I can make a direct comparison.
Both lights used the same sockets and bulbs, so the working parts were of identical quality. The Amerisport bezel is fiberglass, the SACC bezel is steel. The Amerisport adjustment screws are recessed, you have to stick a small screwdriver through a hole in the bezel to adjust the lights, the SACC adjustment screws are exposed, flush with the bezel. The workmanship of both lights is very good. They are both easy to install. There is a difference in price.
If an owner narrows his/her choices to these two products, its a matter of choosing the one with the qualities that appeal most to him/her; i.e. steel verses fiberglass, exposed verses recessed adjusters, or price. You can't go wrong with either choice, and that's not me just being politically correct, its the truth.
-G
George,
I want to clarify one point on your description. My trim bezel is composite but the lights mount with a separate steel pre-assembled mounting assembly. The bezel is a separate part. Both of the other light sets have their mounting and trim as one.
I want to clarify one point on your description. My trim bezel is composite but the lights mount with a separate steel pre-assembled mounting assembly. The bezel is a separate part. Both of the other light sets have their mounting and trim as one.
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I got AmeriSport headlight when they first came out. BEST SETUP ON THE MARKET...just my opinion 
One of the best threads I've read! I'm in the market for a set of lights and this thread has provided me with clear pictures, lots of details and a bit of jousting too. I'd like to see more shots of Ted's kit before I decide (I have his window kit and it's a super product) but there's been talk of exposed inner fenders with the lower lights. Is this noticeable?