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I am a new member in the market for a Pantera. The problem I have run into is that my son is 6' 8"(I am 5' 10") and I wanted to be able to take him (to drive) to track days and events like the Mojave Mile. I had thought I'd slip in a set of lowered floor pans and a set of really low set seats on either available or custom made really low set seat tracks. I went down to PIM about a week ago to see how well he fit in the cars and it was too tight. When I mentioned to the fine gentleman who runs PIM (I suck with names and I didn't get a bus card) my plans he seemed to be really against lowered floor pans. On the other hand, the driveway into his place scrapped the crap out of my vette upon leaving and I seldom have troubles with it.

So here's my question, I know many of you run lowered floor pans, do you have many problems with them?


Just a couple of notes, from searching the forum I know a few of you will say that I don't need them, but they had a car with no seats at PIM and even leaned back I don't think there was room for a the kid to wear a helmet with any extra space (even with padding right the floor it would be tight).
I am a street rodder (and builder) through and through, slipping in an existing kit or custom making a set would be a cake walk for me and my existing tools, but about how long has it taken other home builders to do this? Am I mistaken in believing I could do this with out messing up the paint?

Thank you for your time and patience with my spelling (is their no spell check?).

Louie
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Louie,

Welcome to the forum! First of all, a Pantera is like an Italian suit. Each one fits differently based on various combinations of the seats and the steering wheel. I recommend "trying on" several Panteras before reaching any definite conclusions.

If you do go down the lowered floorpan route, it's not difficult from what I understand, and there should be no impact to your paint - unless you're careless with tools and bang things around. Big Grin

You also have several options for lowered pans, so check with the various vendors and search this forum and the DeTomaso mail list...

One possibility is to remove the top layer of the inner floorpan (what you see under the carpet) and bolt the seats/tracks to the bottom of the existing pan. This means the exterior pan remains unchanged, but you get a bit more headroom.

Check with the vendors on the various kits/processes. I'm sure others on this list who have done this mod will chime in too.
Welcome.

I am 6'6". My car has dropped pans and seats mounted to the floor without tracks. Plenty of room. I also did the firewall reduction to make it better for passengers who are tall. This is a must. When I first went looking for Panteras I almost gave up as I could not fit in any of them. Then I found the right set up for me. You will find what works best for you too.
I have dropped floor pans. It's a simple fix, doesn't rub (the frame rails are much lower than the floor) and adds lots of room, even with stock seat rails.

But I'm only 6'-1".

I suggest you do what Dago did (that's his black racing Pantera GR4). Move the foot pedals forward and add this bubble on top. But Dago's only 6'-4".

So, drop the floor pans, keep the stock rails, get a more compressed seat pad foam and even your 6'-8" son will be comfortable, safe, sit correctly and enjoy racing a Pantera.

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FWIW, dropped floorpans do not reduce ground clearance. A look under the car shows the central spine area hangs below the stock floors by about 2-1/2". So you could conceivably drop the seat pan to that level while still maintaining 'stock' ground clearance. The back of the seat pan is typically lower that the front, and with carpeting & padding removed from under the seat, another inch is also available. It's true that if you simply hack a hole in the floor, there's a stiffening rib across the front that will be cut away and somewhat weaken the floor. But most simply cut the back and two sides of the seat floor, and bend the flap down just behind the stiffening rib, filling in the resulting triangular openings with extra sheet metal. This works fine; I've driven track cars with lowered floorpans that had adequate chassis stiffness to compete. 6'8" is about the 99+ percentile that will fit a Pantera, though....
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Originally posted by David B:
I have dropped floor pans.


David,

Are you saying you have dropped floor pans over and above the later lower factory pans in your GT5?

IMO the dropped pans from vendors are not equivalent to the later factory pans, which are a flat floor from front to rear, whereas the dropped vendor pans area rear only section that angles back from the crossmember in front the seat, effectively just providng more rake angle.

IMO the later factory pans/cars are significantly better offering greater headroom than vendor dropped pans in an early car.

Overall height is one thing, but a lot depends on where thwt height is i.e. legs or torso? I'd suggest try a later 9000 series car on for size.

The pedal box spacer is good for compensating if your height is in your legs. I have a 1/2" one in the GT5.

Julian
> IMO the dropped pans from vendors are not equivalent to the later factory pans,
> which are a flat floor from front to rear, whereas the dropped vendor pans area
> rear only section that angles back from the crossmember in front the seat,
> effectively just providng more rake angle.

I have the Kirk Evans 3" drop pans (he makes them in two drops, the 3" is bigger
drop) in both my Panteras. They cut through the crossmember and drop around 2"
at the front and 3" at the rear, providing both rake and drop. Here's a picture
that shows the drop at the front:

http://www.bacomatic.org/galle..._Stripped_1.jpg.html

at the front, you cut across the floor pan fore-and-aft frame rail, cap it off
(with the shaped leading edge part of the new pan) and then weld a pair of
heavy steel u-channels (upside down) to the floor pan. The outer u-channel
is in line with the old floor pan fore-and-aft frame rail. It butts up against
the pan on both ends. You weld it to the pan along both long edges and both
short edges. It then forms a load path similar to the original fore-and-aft
frame rail. Be sure to make triangular pieces underneath the car so the rear
rails tie into the pans.

With every seam welded and the pans tied into the original frame stiffeners, it
doesn't look like I've lost much, if anything, in the way of rigidity. Jacking
the car on one corner will lift it off the ground on 3 corners with no sag (doors
will open and close fine) so it seems stiff. I've not noticed any problems
driving it either.

I believe Kirk recently posted a new design he has but mine are the earlier version.

> IMO the later factory pans/cars are significantly better offering greater
> headroom than vendor dropped pans in an early car.

but the overstuffed seats can (or aftermarket seats) can use up the extra space
gained by the drop pans.

> Overall height is one thing, but a lot depends on where thwt height is i.e.
> legs or torso? I'd suggest try a later 9000 series car on for size.

Agreed. The type of seats also make a big difference.

> The pedal box spacer is good for compensating if your height is in your legs. I
> have a 1/2" one in the GT5.

That's on my list of things to do. I'd like to get more like an inch but the
spacer needs to angle the master cylinder down to clear the hood.

I'm very happy with the dropped floor pans. I no longer have to slouch forward
in the seat to clear the roof. The headliner is out of the car and my hair just
brushes the roof when I sit fully upright in stock seats. I also have a set of
'vette seats to try. I'm still debating whether or not to install dynamat sound
deadening in the roof when I install the new headliner. I'm 6' 5" with a 36"
inseam and can now extend my left leg past the clutch pedal until it's straight.
On long trips, the least comfortable thing is having to keep the right leng bent
to work the accelerator pedal. A spacer plate on the pedal bracket would reduce
the angle of the leg bend but I think the car needs cruise control. That would
allow me to extend the right leg, too. Also, the seat needs a longer headrest
brackets to put the pad behind my head, instead of at the base of my neck.

The sills are sloped and the passenger side seat is offset towards the sill
so it can clear the parking brake. With the dropped pans, the outside edge of
the passenger seat rubs on the sill, even with no sound deadening or carpeting.
I cut the spacers off both old pans and stacked them under the passenger seat
rails to raise the seat and it still rubs. Some seat re-shaping (notching) will
be required to permit removal of the spacers (unless you remove the parking brake).
Swapping the seat rails so the adjustment lever is near the console may also be
worthwhile. A bulkhead reduction kit would be nice, too.

Dan Jones
Hum. What a loaded question? Smiler

I'm 6'2", 34-35 inseam, i.e., long legs, longer arms. A reach a heavyweight boxer would have.

I have Halls 2" dropped pans, both sides. Engine intrusion cover reduction. 1-1/2" relocated pedals. Adjustable (height wise) steering column.

I also have Halls recovered modern stile Pantera leather seats, and they sit on 90 something Taurus power seat platforms (with power lumbar).

I can put the seats flat on the floor or rasise them about 2" via the power platforms.

I will say that for me (at 200 pounds) the cabin is now huge. On the floor the driving impression is that your eyebrows are even with the top of the dash.

I would say to do it all and thus have the option of adjusting it to your liking. Wilkinson quick release steering hub (worth every penny) too. Mac's short throw shift delrin shift knob too.

All these things help with finding squiggling around room.

What all this does is give the ability to wiggle around rather then have the option of only one driving or passenger position. With this set up it is actually possible for your passenger to be somewhat reclining and catch a nap on a long trip...if it wasn't for those overhead speakers, and those huge 180 degree headers, and that long duration solid lifter camshaft and, and, and ...well I think you get the idea? Wink

As far as 6'8"? I would say probably yes BUT getting out of the car you might need to climb out head first with the length of those legs. Can't do nuttin' wid' dem doors though?
I'm 5-9 and I dropped the floors in 6476 3.5 " even with the rear cross member ... plenty of head room ... LOL

I must comment on 9138 an EMO Coach Car the pans are dropped down from the factory and still plenty of room no bottoming out and plenty of head room.

Frank Lloyd Wright says .. "tall people were weeds and a waste of material" .. LOL

Ron

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