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Re-edited due to aging brain cells.......!!!

Lee,

Hit up your local FIAT enthusiast....if there is such a thing......!

You might try working backwards from the key blank......"What does it fit?" Sort of thing and then....cruise the Fiat web boards for lock assemblies or even pins......

You can also probably try reaching out to Roland in Germany for bits and pieces like this!   The push button design was used in the FIAT 850 SPYDER models from what I can tell from limited looking.  I wish I would have grabbed every one of those locks that I walked past.......along with 68 Mopar side marker lamps.......!!!!!  Shoulda woulda coulda.....!  

There are lock sets offered up for sale, by Bayless and Mr Fiat, but these morons fail to list what years..... Pictures show a rectangular shaped lock assembly....NOTHING like what you see on pictures of 65-72 850 Spyders (Spiders)!!!!!   Perhaps they expect you to cut the crap out of your car to fit them......

What I also noticed is that MANY of these cars seemed to use a double sided key blank.....on 124 models of many years, and also the 850 sedans. Whether the lock pins are the same.....can't answer that at this time. You would need to verify the key # for fitment.

OK, much better than my start on this reply!

Good luck!!!!

Last edited by mangusta

Oh, at least its getting easier to understand which are Not right...In reversible keys, the FT32/34 are easily distinguishable from FT33/35 in that the profile is reverse (Ft35 is groove on left).  So the Fiat 850/Miura keys/locks) are FT32/34. Finding which use Ft33/35 seems harder, strangely I see Fiat 1100 locks that have it either way (!), and all the engine cover locks I see are groove on right (Ft32/34).

 SAFE key markings also designate the series, so anything marked 2xxx is an FT35 (as Nate pointed out a long time ago).  Somewhere, someone has a reference that relates the pin sequence...

https://pantera.infopop.cc/top...962#1598208440521962

 

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Hi Gents, one more photo comparing the Mangusta lock to OEM Fiat 850 (for 1967 at least). I was thinking the newly available repro locks might be useful for our case but doubt it now.

Re. pins I think Steve is on to the ultimate solution...there must be locksmiths out there with piles of leftover pins from Italian cars from the 60s.  Regardless of the core diameter, the pins must have been essentially generic....nothing special, just need the right variant.  Fortunately, the same pin sets are used, regardless of the keyway series (2xxx, 4xxx, 8xxx etc) - the pins don't care.  Once again, Fiat fanatics are our friends!

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Nate, yeah, back to plan A---look for a locksmith! It looks like Alfa is probably more on the Ft33/35 key side of things, see this group of (4 different!) keys in a Giulia 105 keyset...with our friendly 12.7mm stubby there (and only 3 of the pins populated---who wanted to track any more combinations for a trunk key!?). 

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Just a followup, amazing how the slightest education make things more clear Especially, just the name for "wafer locks," the "pins" are called wafers or "panes" and used for basically all Automotive locks.  I'm sure that in the little mom and pop hardware stores in Italy are a thousand wafer kits sitting in the dust, I've spent some time w/o success trying to find locksmith supplies specifically for 60's Italian cars...Pictures of English parts (MG/Jag) might just work and a couple kits are on Ebay, specifically for "2000 series" keys.  But FerrariChat named Tony Euganeo <Daskeyman@verizon.net> who says no problem, he has the parts. Darn, the fun may be gone if I don't Have to try myself (!) 

 Here are a few more pictures,  https://www.alfabb.com/threads...d-544161&slide=3

 

 

 

 

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