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Hi Guys,

Has anyone tried one of these Mangusta windscreen rubbers? I called the seller today in Atlanta GA and he claims to have them made in Italy by the original manufacture. He also does all three rear glass rubbers.

To my knowledge none of the US Pantera vendors have these rubbers. I have checked with Wilkinson,Hall and PI.


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Johnny
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I bought a set for the Mangusta and when it came time to install it the four corners were too short. The rear windows were the same. I had to order a long strip from Hall pantera and cut and fit it into place. I called the guy from Mr. Fiat and he did nothing only that I was out $1400 for the whole rubber set. On the Mangusta its best to cut and fit each rubber set and don't get the prefit ones because they SUCK!!! and you wont get your money back because they don't fit. I hope that helps. Ben
I received the windscreen rubber from Cicognani today.
http://www.cicognaniguarnizion...iew&id=228&Itemid=24

I could see right away that it was not a reproduction of an original Mangusta rubber as it was significantly smaller. The lip that sits on the paint was way too short. The depth was wrong also - meaning it sits the glass about 3mm too low in the aperture.

I was hopeful that maybe it would still fit. When I tried the rubber on the screen the sides pieces where 30mm too long (where is runs up the A pillar). I could not gather it by that much over such a short distance so I cut them down, removed 30mm and re-glued the two corners.
I then installed the screen in the car only to find the rubber lip did not sit on the paint anywhere! the whole screen and rubber just sits in the aperture!

So Ben is right - it sucks! We paid Cicognani 340 Euros including shipping ($450 USD) for a generic rubber that is totally the wrong profile and not even joined at the right length. If that was not bad enough the corners are super glued not vulcanised!

The Mangusta rubbers on ebay being sold by Mr Fiat are from the same source - Cicognani. I called mr Fiat and asked him about them and he said they are perfect and he has never had any complaints...BS!!!

Cicognani started by sending me the wrong rubber, they sent me the two rear rubbers for the gull wings. I looked at them very closely before sending them back and decided the rubber profile looked correct for the rear as is was the very same rubber they sent me for the windscreen. I could not check the length because I had already installed the rear windows so I cant tell you if they have cut them to the correct length.
The Mangusta originally used the very same rubber profile for the rear windows as the windscreen. I always feel it looks too big for the rear and would rather have the smaller one sold by Cicognani. It's only just big enough for the rear though but looks neater than the big wide rubber that is so essential for the windscreen.

I have spent considerable time searching rubber extrusions on the net. I feel like I have looked at every classic car rubber supplier in world. I have also researched the marine industry. I can find lots of almost identical profiles but they all have the same problem - the rubber lip that sits on the paint points up not down. This means the lip, even if it was long enough would not sit on the paint, there would be a gap.

My friend Roger Brotton in the UK is going to have some rubber custom made exactly the same as the original. I may have to wait for him ( it could take 3 months) unless someone can point me in the direction of something that could work sooner. My customer wants his car back!

Ben how close to the original profile was the rubber you got from Hall?

I will post pictures tomorrow.

Johnny Woods
Johnny,

Thanks for being the test-bed for this one. Very sorry it worked out as badly as it did. If there is any consolation, it's that you saved $1000 over what Ben got screwed for.

Please encourage Roger to take the plunge and have a good large batch made up and I'm sure he'll make it all back selling gaskets to the rest of us who need them.

Mark
Mangusta windscreen rubber update. Problem solved!

As I mentioned in my previous post Cicogani in Italy sent us a Mangusta windscreen rubber that was not even close. I called them and explained the situation and was offered a full refund or I could wait and they would make a new one. I asked what they mean by "new one" because it's more than just the length that is wrong the extrusion is totally wrong. She said "no, we are going to make an entirely new extrusion".

So we sent a section of original Mangusta rubber to her and also sent the exact dimensions of the glass so they could get the size right.

One month later the new windscreen rubber arrived and it's perfect! Nicely joined in the corners and exactly the right length!

All we have to do now is get them to make the rear window rubbers out of the same extrusion.

Cicogani have been excellent people to deal with and are the only company in the word that make a Mangutsa windscreen rubber. During this process I received samples from every vendor that claims to have Mangusta rubber but none of them are right. Only Cicogani.

Johnny

http://www.cicognaniguarnizion...iew&id=228&Itemid=24

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Johnny,

That is great news. Please let us know when the rears get done. Had you considered or discussed any group buying with Cicogani? I am sure that there would be at least 10 of us interested. Obviously, if there are savings, it would be ideal. Thanks for sharing this info.

Mark
Johnny,
Cheers!

What is the chance of getting a 1000M piece or the like? ...and some vulcanizing glue! You could become the wizard of weatherstrip, or the ruler of the rubber!

I figure each car would take about 15M if you were to do all three large windows at the same time. Add another 4-5M if you were to do the rear passenger compartment window perhaps? 1000M would do about 50 cars....and in bulk, you wouldn't have to worry about selling out of some and having excess of others!

Fitment looks very good on the windscreen!

I could use some new material for the rear windows, but had always heard that the pieces from Mr Fiat didn't fit, nor did the bits from one of the other large (not-Hall) vendors. Too short, caused the curved edges on the corners to stand up!

Steve
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