MODULAR OR BUST!

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Originally posted by Mark:

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Originally posted by pantera2023:

What could have been a good thread has turned into nothing more than a session for everyone to pat each others on the back. Nothing technical here that's for sure....

LOL don't you hate when it does not stay on subject

Yeah, and you guys are adding to the dilemna!!

Including ME!!

couldn't resist, could you Mark?

George

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Originally posted by restoman:
I made the decision to go modular. There are so many different year/block/head combinations, I don't know where to start. I was thinking of the Mach 1 DOHC. But I would like to bump up the HP and Torque to around 400. Has any one researched these options or installed one that can give me advise on what works the best for the Pantera?

Did you ever check out this site? You may want to check it out.
http://home.earthlink.net/~rlbpantera/

So what do you guys think of this little modular beast I picked up ? NO WAY will this fit in the Pantera. 680hp from the factory over the Ford counter in 1965. LOL

Ron, BITCHEN!

the cammer is absolutely on of Fords best engines ever. One of the world's best engines!

7 liters, naturally aspirated, I remember 650 bhp, but I won't quibble over a few bhp, it's damn close to 100 bhp per liter, that was in 1965, SOHC and only 2 valves per cylinder.

That beast looks like its laying in a trailer, why don't you just haul it to my house on your way to the SEMA show?

your friend on the DTBB, George

George I picked it up with another short block for 3800.00 its in the back of my rack body with a bunch of assorted ford parts. there were also chrysler hemi parts but I was in la la land when I seen this thing laying on it side in the guys shop I bought it from. it needs to be taken apart a run thru. cant even think of hwo can do that.

OMG!!! That is the rarest most valuable motor on the face of the planet. How much do you want for it??? Can I pick it up this afteernoon??

This is why I'm stuck on my 351 C build. I raced FE's all my life and never had these RPM, oiling and strength issues.

That motor is a museam piece since I think that the later 427sohc's had aluminum heads and this one has CI heads so I think its real early 65 or maybe the 64 one prep'd for Nascar then once Nascar banded hemi's it was used or sold else where. I have a friend who is the guru on these motors and thats his feeling. It's real clean inside but it has been run.

THAT IS COOL. IF that engine is soooo valuable (which it apears to be) would it be worthwile trying to find the car it came from. Together their value could go up tremendously.

Gary

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Originally posted by accobra:
So what do you guys think of this little modular beast I picked up ? NO WAY will this fit in the Pantera. 680hp from the factory over the Ford counter in 1965. LOL

Great find! Do it justice! (I say shoehorn it into your Pantera, I'll come over with the butter and lard.)

Michael

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Originally posted by Cyboman:
Great find! Do it justice! (I say shoehorn it into your Pantera, I'll come over with the butter and lard.)

Michael

I agree with you Micheal. IT would be the most awesome Pantera to have ever existed in the history of mankind. A truly historical event IMO.

Gary, it didn't "come from a car". They were sold as crate motors only. Ford never installed a cammer in a production vehicle. (650 bhp!)

George

Mike - I'm thinking of it but first problem is the bellhousing it dosent bolt up.

Comp2 - It did not come in a car it was sold only over the counter in 64 for Nascar and 65 it was the Funny Car engine.

Detom - I almost lost it and had to tell the guy I bought it from that its worth a LOT OF MONEY, he said I was honest with him and someone owed him money so it was left in a warehouse with many other FE parts and Chrylser Hemi.

AC, Was it ever used in a nascar?

Gary

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Originally posted by accobra:
Mike - I'm thinking of it but first problem is the bellhousing it dosent bolt up.

Comp2 - It did not come in a car it was sold only over the counter in 64 for Nascar and 65 it was the Funny Car engine.

Detom - I almost lost it and had to tell the guy I bought it from that its worth a LOT OF MONEY, he said I was honest with him and someone owed him money so it was left in a warehouse with many other FE parts and Chrylser Hemi.

A couple of years back, at a car show in Charlette, I saw the first mustang funny car that had a 427 SOHC, only it was missing the motor. They wanted 16 K for the car because THEY COULDN"T FIND A SOHC motor for it. That is how rare it is. It is more valuable than it's weight in gold.

Comp 2 - I have no record and there is no serial # as from what I can see justa casting #'s. I covered it and sat it in the corner of the barn. The other short block is brand new is cosmoline. The other intakes I sold most of them.
Detom - I have a friend up here in Florida Ny who has a 65 fastback that has XP-427 on the side and was an original Experimental Porduction car, but hes not parting with it. Valuable ? They had there moments ! The 10' timing chain didnt help those moments.
So my point is !
Look close at the MODULAR motor, its modeled after the SOHC. The FE series is a good motor. Believe me if I cant get this 351c build off the ground you'll see pics of this in the Pantera. I just cant bring myself to cutting up that car. A small block is what belongs in the Pantera.

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Originally posted by accobra:
A small block is what belongs in the Pantera.

I agree. I would want to decrease the weight back there if I could.

427 SOHC history for Gary:

In 1963 Ford announced the total performance program. Inside Ford this meant kick butt & win every type of racing there was at any cost. So in 1963 a Ford Galaxie powered by a 427 FE motor won NASCAR. For 1964 Chrysler fought back, introduced the 426 Hemi and kicked some Ford butt. Chrysler walked away with the NASCAR trophy for '64. After the '64 season Ford decided they needed a weapon to compete against the 426 Hemi and in about 3 months they developed the 427 SOHC (cammer), which is based upon the 427 FE side oiler short block. They dropped it in a '64 Galaxy and turned the fastest test laps at Daytona anybody had ever timed. Chrysler threatened to pull out of NASCAR if Ford was allowed to run the cammer, NASCAR responded by banning the cammer, it was never allowed to run in 1 NASCAR race. Ford then dropped the cammer into some Mustangs running in the A/FX class (factory experimental) and kicked butt in NHRA & AHRA drag racng instead.

Ron, that motor belongs in a stripped down & lowered '64 Galaxy 2 door. That would be too cool.

your friend on the DTBB, George

You go George !! and dont forget my favorite Comet ? Yes this is the basis for todays modular / Cammer that ford brought back. But let us not forget this monster is HHHHEEAAVY about 675lbs. Practical ? I think this is a museam piece. Realisticly what do I put this thing in ?
Oh George dont forget my favorite COMET also made this motor famous.

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Originally posted by accobra:
Comp 2 - I have no record and there is no serial # as from what I can see justa casting #'s. I covered it and sat it in the corner of the barn. The other short block is brand new is cosmoline. The other intakes I sold most of them.
Detom - I have a friend up here in Florida Ny who has a 65 fastback that has XP-427 on the side and was an original Experimental Porduction car, but hes not parting with it. Valuable ? They had there moments ! The 10' timing chain didnt help those moments.
So my point is !
Look close at the MODULAR motor, its modeled after the SOHC. The FE series is a good motor. Believe me if I cant get this 351c build off the ground you'll see pics of this in the Pantera. I just cant bring myself to cutting up that car. A small block is what belongs in the Pantera.

Actually Gary, the engine you have is probably worth more than your car. To the right people.