My GT5S

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all the best to you to Will... but let me vent something : you are here so eminent present , but nowhere on the intro of my 2 latest cars , BMW CSL and Morgan GTN.... it's your full right , but doesn't give me a "friends" enviroment feeling... and i don't need congrats,congrats etc.. appreciate more a personal reaction !

Need a hug?

Poor Belgie, post changing direction. But I agree with Belgie. It's a disservice for the buyer and seller to reveal the price, as it comes back to bite whomever owns the car later. I used to think, what the hey and told people when asked what I paid for my orange car. Then later down the road went to sell it and just got all kinds of real low ball offers from Pantera owners because they knew what I had paid. Big mistake regardless of market direction.

I would like to thank Norbert for being as open about the sale price as he has been.

In general the buyer (new owner) is the person who has the most to loose in reporting sale prices. Out of respect for the buyer, a seller must keep the transaction confidential. None of us would expect less.

What if we create kind of a matrix with real sales prices.
The admin hosts it, we just send data unpersonally like GT5-S sold prestine condition price $1xxk and we create our own price guide with unpersonal data.

I do understand totally that sales and buy prices are kept under the hood and this is common in europe. Not in the US of course as long as if you have trouble with money you just print another trillion or get some more credit cards.

We have another mindset in Europe (ok on the other side of Cypress and Greek at least ) and I do not judge the one or the other but it just is this way.

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Originally posted by George P:
I would like to thank Norbert for being as open about the sale price as he has been.

In general the buyer (new owner) is the person who has the most to loose in reporting sale prices. Out of respect for the buyer, a seller must keep the transaction confidential. None of us would expect less.

Thank you Sir !

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Originally posted by 4NHOTROD:

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all the best to you to Will... but let me vent something : you are here so eminent present , but nowhere on the intro of my 2 latest cars , BMW CSL and Morgan GTN.... it's your full right , but doesn't give me a "friends" enviroment feeling... and i don't need congrats,congrats etc.. appreciate more a personal reaction !

Need a hug?

every day , but not from you

Whether or not to share a sale price is a personal choice which should be respected at all times.
Question or debating that choice should not even come to ones mind, and is disrespectful towards the person behind the car - period.

When I bought my GT5-S back in 2010 I was contacted by a nice gentleman who wanted to add my car to a registry that he created. He politely asked me if I would mind revealing what I paid for my car. He said he wanted to track market trends for this rare car. I was not compelled to answer him. But I did so willingly because I wanted to contribute to the Pantera community. Since I bought my car, from time to time I have asked questions pertaining to my vehicle. Many complete strangers have offered really good advice and suggestions, even though they were not compelled to do so. I am so grateful for this. So when I have an opportunity to reciprocate, I am happy to endure any minor inconvenience on my part for the greater good of the Pantera community...that of sharing knowledge and helping each other when we can.

George P. made a good point that the buyer's privacy should be respected. Agreed. Of course that could have been easily overcome by a response something like this "I would be happy to let you know what I sold my car for to help you track market trends on this rare vehicle, and to reciprocate for all the nice and helpful advice I have received over the years from all of you, but first I want to contact the buyer to be sure he has no objection". He was not compelled or obligated to answer like this. But that is how I would have replied if the shoe were on the other foot.

Having said that, I know that some people are funny about revealing the cost of a transaction on their car. It makes no sense to me. I often watch the Mecum Auto Auctions on TV. Every car that goes through the block has a sales amount for the entire world to see. There is no "Respect the buyer's privacy" sort of talk. Its great to track what Shelby's, GTO's, Boss 429's, and other cars are selling for. It's useful to would-be buyers and sellers alike. After all, home's are tracked that way so as to determine market trends, which is a much bigger ticket item then a car. That is a matter of public record, and it's a useful tool for would-be home buyers as well as sellers. So why not do the same for car sales?

I am sure Belgium Barry is a great guy. In no way was I suggesting he was obligated or should be compelled to reveal what he sold his car for. If he doesn't want to contribute to the greater good of sharing knowledge with his fellow Pantera enthusiasts, that is his right and I won't question that. It's a personal choice and I respect his decision. Good people can have different points of view. As for me, I paid 80k for my GT5-S back in 2010. And if I ever sell my GT5-S, I will happily tell you guys what I sold it for, as long as I get permission from the buyer and he gives me the ok. But that's just me. Nobody else needs to do so.

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Originally posted by adoberetreat:
I am sure Belgium Barry is a great guy. In no way was I suggesting he was obligated or should be compelled to reveal what he sold his car for. If he doesn't want to contribute to the greater good of sharing knowledge with his fellow Pantera enthusiasts, that is his right and I won't question that. It's a personal choice and I respect his decision. Good people can have different points of view.

And I'm sure your intentions are wholly honorable as well but if you really hold all said in the above to be true, I don't think "he doesn't want to contribute to the greater good of sharing knowledge with his fellow Pantera enthusiasts" is a fair conclusion to draw merely because in this instance he chooses not to divulge the sell price of his car that occurred in a private transaction. There are many other ways to be part of the community I'm sure he has fulfilled. Most private sales are ....well...private. That's why we call them such.

As far as Mecum and BJ, etc, they're public auctions and the sellers and buyers both by definition are acknowledging and accepting the publication of sell price as part of the process........and I don't believe these entities are performing any type of community service; they're promoting their own enterprise and future potential to collect fees and profit.

Best,
K

It is understood in germany as good breed not to talk about money bhut to have it.
We are taught this was as kids.

It is understood in germany as good breed not to talk about money but to have it.
We are taught this as kids.

Here's one for sale, I understood this sold by PI Motorsports maybe 6 months back advertised at $125K and that was a good markup from where they acquired it.

GT5S on eBay

Gotta knock $15K off for lack of original wheels and tires.

Julian

Same car. It is real and is still for sale by PIM. It is Glen Pascal's former car.


Ron.

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Originally posted by Andyuk:
I don't think it was that one; as far as I remember the PI Motorsport one was real, this one is certainly not.

Andy,

Chassis # 9376, what makes you say it isn't real?

Nice looking blue 5S. Too bad for CA use, pretty much stuck with the standard stock engine.

#9376 car is certainly as real as any other GT5-S out there. It was one of the first two imported into the US and preceded the Amerisport cars (which I also consider to be "real" GT5-S since they were...). Sadly, after it left Glen's hands it bounced around a LOT. It was previously in Hawaii and returned to the mainland after an engine rebuild (or two). I don't know if the car has it's original motor but it has certainly been modified enough to scare away any purist collector. I would be quite happy to park the car in my garage, but certainly not at that price. Considering that the rather exceptional black GT5-S in MD is still (I believe) available at a similar price, the pricing for this car is, in my opinion, in the "rather optimistic" category.

Mark

"Nice looking blue 5S. Too bad for CA use, pretty much stuck with the standard stock engine."

Does200- Actually, there are ways to drive a GT5-S in California, have it legally licensed and registered, without having a stitch of smog equipment on the car. I know. I did it. I own an '88 GT5-S with a high performance Fontana engine, I live in Los Angeles, and I'm able to drive the car without any smog equipment on the car.

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Originally posted by adoberetreat:
"Nice looking blue 5S. Too bad for CA use, pretty much stuck with the standard stock engine."

Does200- Actually, there are ways to drive a GT5-S in California, have it legally licensed and registered, without having a stitch of smog equipment on the car. I know. I did it. I own an '88 GT5-S with a high performance Fontana engine, I live in Los Angeles, and I'm able to drive the car without any smog equipment on the car.

Excellent! Would be good to post how it is legally done in CA so that others can benefit as well.

I see there is a whole list of GT5-S Pantera's are imported by George Stauffer , does anybody know how many from them have original a Cleveland or Windsor engine?
It looks like 9376 get also an other engine into the past , see a OHC engine on the pic's
into the register.
Simon