new smog law in california

hi mikep01
unregistered
Question? why is it Kalifornian people think the whole universe revolves around them. did you find this site listed as the California pantera owners club, or is it the Pantera international site? if you had started this post with Attention california pantera owners i would say, OK well this guy acknowledges that their is THE REST of the world to consider But no you live in california and nothing else matters SUP RISE Their is people that live in the FREE STATES and OTHER COUNTRY'S with Panteras

Robert,
Don't be too hard on the boy. Legislative lunacy is contagious and not restricted to Californica. Although we may not be able to help Mike01 much with his local politicians, he is giving us a warning about the goofy ideas that may be brought up in our legislatures.
In Atlanta, we have the MTBE and low sulphur gas and emissions inspections. They just went to the 25 year old exemption instead of anything built after 1974. Some of that Californica stuff shows up in other states later.
Watch your politicians closely.

agree, the message is fine But, it's the narrow minded way of thinking that WE ARE ALL in California that i have a problem with. it all comes down to liberals and their lock up the barn after the horse is in the next county. They should have said something before they had to say something We see um here too Can't stand Kalifornia and had to move so they turn their new area into Kalifornia and make no attempt to blend, i know this post is not going to be popular but God Bless America Land of the Free (some parts) and Home of the Brave... :-

i not being narrow minded, the rest of the country or the world dosent have the strict emmission laws we have here. im just trying to spread the word, just imagine not being able to take your pantera or shelby out for a drive on a sunday morning, this law will also lower the emission levels to what most new cars emmit, no stock pantera could pass those standards on the best day. if it passes here who says it wont pass nation wide within a few years. the mtbe gas and low sulpher fuel started here in CA. and that almost if not nation wide.

Please, i have lived in and currently live in and go between two western states that treat their citizens as adults. as human beings. We have learned to keep things as they are By not allowing the Californian people that come here to CHANGE our free way of life.we have learned this by example by looking to Washington state and Oregon. Again i'm not sure if you understand me so i will say it again. you message is fine, too late as usual but fine, it's the way you post it. you don't take into consideration any one else,from any place else. just a footnote. When i am in california i feel like i'm in a foreign country and breathe a sigh of relief when we cross the state line.I don't hate California, as a state it's ok but it's the sheep like people that allow things to happen because they take action too late that concern me, Be advised that this is an International post medium and we have taken up enough of their time with day late and dollar short talk.

here the link to write to your atate senator and asy person, send them a fax telling you disagree with this. se have less than 30 days befor the vote for this.http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html

Mike,
I'm not sure what that guy's problem is...anyways, thanks for the info!

Thanks! mikep01 unregistered.... but MY STATE senator does NOT have .CA.GOV In the url, you just don't get it do you?

Hum, I thought mikep01 posted the subject title of the post appropriately. For those who live in CA, click and read, for those who don't live in CA, don't click and read.

As far as comments regarding Californians, that's like saying all blacks are niggers and thieves. There are in fact nice CA people and not so nice CA people, just like people of any ethnicity or from any geographic location in all of the world.

This is site to find your Senator. Senator Dean Florez is the person that interduced the bill. Hurry!!! Fax them http://www.sen.ca.gov/~newsen/senators/senators.HTP

Thanks Mark!

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We have sent out letters to our representatives. I believe that only letters from California residents to their legislators would be of benefit.
Dave and Linda

THANK YOU ! Thank You! tHANK yOU!

thank and i will pass any further info that i get, mike mikep01@hotmail.com

[This message has been edited by mikep01 (edited 03-03-2003).]

Ha,ha Mark is always watching...good job, help keep us all civilized.

As I understand it, when you go to get smogged, it is not all about just clean exhaust. Things are different now than in the old days: (1) now the tests are more difficult on the dyno, (2) if you fail (or for any other reason "they" feel necessary), you need to go to the state referee (lots of fun), (3) the engine & devices must meet specs, and (4) you can't just throw more cash at your local smog buddy like before to pass you...things are high tech now.

When I took my Maserati Biturbo in for the required smog about a year ago, I had to go back to the referee about 4 times, until he liked the way the engine was set up. It didn't matter that the exhaust passed "clean" on all the tests. It was the engine set up that they frowned on (and this was a factory engine with no mods). If you have anything highly modified, you may as well keep it in the garage as a trophy if this thing passes. Or if you still have a stock 351 laying around, you may want to hang onto it for those special occasions when needed.

Also, I would think that maybe this bill has a good chance of passing, as CA govt is really hurting for money right now. I am not sure how the money trail follows with the smog tests, but a certain portion probably goes back to the state government, and they are looking for any source of revenue right now (money is the priority over everything right now). Any one know if smogs tests are revenue generating for the state?

If this does pass and become law, I'm going to apply for a "Historical Vehicle" license plate. I believe they are exempt from smog testing. Anyone in California interested in this type of plate should check out Mark McWhinney's website:
http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/mark/historicalplates.htm

-Richard

i dont mind the board being monitored otherwise it would be out of control. we all know who needs the info and who can pass. both my cars are blck plate cars. old muscle cars withe the black plate are worth more than those with out, with the historical plate you cant have that custom personal plate that a lot of us have.
a little info on the ca smog program, if you fail as a gross poluter or missing equipment, you have to go to the referee atomaticaly to get the cert, ther is no cost limit to repair a gross poluter or missing smog equipmet (ie: original intakes, carburators, distributors, exhaust manifolds and the likes). everything will then need an eo number to pass just like a 5.0 mustang. the worst part is you will be inspected again for the next two years and sent strait to the referee.

I moved from CA years ago. I shake my head when I visit. No water, electricity, PGE scandals, no governors candidates worth a crap. Representatives in Washington who feel above the Law (Condit). My mother in law lives there in the Bay area too. I just cant go back. Great weather though. There is a problem with the gov't there. Any cokebottle glassed liberal geek can get a special interest bill passed. If I still lived there I would send a letter to a state rep but I cant. Hey, how about a "Save the Panteras from extinction" bill. Might as well convert your P car to solar power now.

Anyone have a good sample letter they could post? One of my jobs years ago was to mobilize businesses, organizations and the community to lobby for or against selected state bills. A key element is of course a good letter writing campaign with reasons why a bill is good or bad, but not to submit cookie cutter letters. However, a good sample letter is always beneficial as a start, and then others could personalize/modify. If PI feels strongly about the issue, maybe post a sample of the letter that was sent on the PI website, or post it here so others in CA can tweak it and send it in. I really can't think what is bad about this bill for the community or the state of CA, except that my car will remain in the garage as a trophy...and no state legislature cares about that.