Pantera #4524 - 3800 Mile Pantera?

There is no way in heck that is a 3800 mile car.
Really, drivers seat bolster is torn, tires original and completely worn on the inside tread. Was taken apart for full repaint. Wear in the drivers carpet. Oh, and get this surprise, no supporting documentation on said 3,800 miles.
73,800 miles maybe, but not 3,800

Oh, and rumored to have been owned by an astronaut. If you stair into the radio you can see the ghost of Michel Jackson

103,800 miles

Where are you seeing pictures of the interior?

They have been posted on their site for weeks
They just added some pics as they started to put the car together.

Looks like an early dash board with later model bumpers. Is that possible?

dash is okay, I think it serial numbers line up with the time where it was possible to get either the single or dual pod dash.
I just think the previous owner may have popped in another speedo, maybe the original crapped out and he was able to source a new one or something.
I think it is a bit of a stretch for the auction company to call this a 3,800 mile original.

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Originally posted by sjdennis:
Looks like an early dash board with later model bumpers. Is that possible?

Absolutely. The other way around too.

As for that being a 3800 mile car... I agree, that seems VERY unlikely.

Mark

how are you viewing pics of the Pantera? All i can view is the one front right view.

A set of photos here:
http://www.vanderbrinkauctions...hp?page=6&detail=165

I'm inclined to support a low mileage story. Look at the shift knob, gate and rod. It doesn't look like 100,000 miles worth of wear. Also, original radio, brake master and clutch master. Roached out for sure, but it looks like it has good bones.

I wonder why one photo shows bumpers/headlamps on and another shows removed?

Is the seperate dual snorkal air cleaner for a Pantera?

A few good ways to document a purported ultra low mileage car, especially a "3,800" mile car.

"1"...Does it have the original as delivered spark plugs, oil filter, rotor, cap, spark plug wires, fuel filter.

"2"...Original disc pads & subsequent wear in accordance with stated mileage.

"3"...Wear on all switches. Should be NO indication of wear with only 3,800 stated mileage, especially the windshield wiper switch. In 3,800 miles, how many times if ANY was the car driven in the rain??!!

"4"...The plastic gears to manually raise the lights, should be PERFECT!!!

"5"...Headlamps should be as delivered & possibly date coded.

"6"...The male seatbelt insert should show as new & the passenger male seatbelt insert should appear PERFECT!!!, as if it has NEVER been used. Figuring in 3,800 miles...How many times was there a passenger in the passenger seat???!!!

"7"...Should have the COMPLETE tool kit with ALL the fuses, figuring...In 3,800 miles ...How many times was a fuse blown & needed to be replaced?!...answer should be ZERO!!!

"8"...Should have original keys, & the points of the keys should appear unworn & SHARP!

"9"...The chrome area around the driver's side key insert should be relatively scratch free & the passenger side should be PERFECT!!...in 3,800 miles...How many times was the passenger door opened via a key???!!...less then 10?

There's a brief list from my "Detective Handbook of documenting Ultra Low Mileage Cars"...available online at Amazon for $59.99 autographed copies are $39.99...Mark

Nice car, good buy for $45k or less.
But never ever a 3800 mile car.

I'm with Quickitty et al on this one... not a chance in my book that it's a 3,800 car. The seat wear always tells the tail. Plus, tires, carpet etc. Hard to tell about the shifter plate from the crappy pic, but then again...changing those is the same 5 min job now as it was 20 yrs ago. If the speedo was swapped, the owner certainly had the ability to change the shifter/plate. One additional item that hasn't yet been mentioned ..look at the wear on the driver's door arm rest..... I would presume flying seat belt "release" wear...?? However it got there...significant wear. Certainly not indicative of 3,800.



Anyway.. I too think it's a bit irresponsible for them to advertise it as 3,800 miles, with so many signs of wear, unless of course.. it can be substantiated with documentation. Which it seems does not exist.

All that said, I agree with gilles' remark.. it does look to have good bones. Keep in mind, as the crew reading this knows all too well, these sexy girls rot from the inside out. For all practical purposes, it's been sitting on the Fla coast for its entire life. (quick story: I once pulled the door handle off of a 69 stang I was looking at down there when I opened the door :-). This, while candy shell still looked pretty). In my book, it needs a full restoration! No question. If you pay -anywhere- near $45k you will quickly be upside down vs. the market. You're better off buying one of the many that are for sale on the net from $47-67K right now. And..you don't have to deal with the headache of a project, and could start enjoying it this summer.

Just my $0.02...

"All that said, I agree with gilles' remark.. it does look to have good bones. Keep in mind, as the crew reading this knows all too well, these sexy girls rot from the inside out. For all practical purposes, it's been sitting on the Fla coast for its entire life. (quick story: I once pulled the door handle off of a 69 stang I was looking at down there when I opened the door :-). This, while candy shell still looked pretty). In my book, it needs a full restoration! No question. If you pay -anywhere- near $45k you will quickly be upside down vs. the market. You're better off buying one of the many that are for sale on the net from $47-67K right now. And..you don't have to deal with the headache of a project, and could start enjoying it this summer."

I agree completely. I buy cars with good bones in this market for high teens, low 20's .........this is no exception.

@quickitty

where are these cars. I am looking for a race car project body but can't find anything for such a reasonable price as you said.
I have the group 3 fenders and rims and stuff here but unable to start with the project.
Can you help out?

Here is one currently at 20K on e-bay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-...60&item=231513374560

There was another on craigslist that just got flagged, although I doubt it was a scam. Probably someone did not want the info getting out. It was a project shell for 12K

They are out there. Just got to hunt them down.

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Originally posted by gilles027:
Haw much do you ned?

I have a 1971 complete body with doors,front and decklid, some minor rust easy to fix.

Only the body with papers, no mechanical parts.

Kjeld


where are these cars. I am looking for a race car project body but can't find anything for such a reasonable price as you said.
I have the group 3 fenders and rims and stuff here but unable to start with the project.
Can you help out?

Interesting piece. Doubts about the 3,800 also. Possibly a shy documenter missed the '0' on 38,000 but that's giving some credit.

The Arrivas do raise a question of potential legitimacy for low miles, but not seemingly THAT low.

Regardless, hopefully the car will get resurrected to drive another day. Sure will have a backstory!

Though a bit off-topic, can someone tell me why the half shafts are orange? My one-owner 21k (when I got it) 74 had 'blue green' half shafts, though flaking pretty good.

My best guess, It looks like someone did some "rattle can" red oxide paint where maybe there was some rust. I noticed that under the door guide and on the rocker, lower fenders and such. Looks like the same red oxide on the half shafts and clutch cylinder. Probably to prevent surface rust.
I have a 10,000 mile car here and I believe the half shafts are (or were) cad plated. Where I have cleaned a spot they have that yellow tinge that resembles cad plating, not sure if that is correct either.