As with most Pantera questions, it depends.... Stock halfshafts were often aluminum-painted while Spicer halfshafts were cad-iridited. That is, yellowish like a Holley carb.
Not me, but I must admit, was thinking about it.
Looked like a lot of fun.
Actually liked the design of the body mods, hard to pull that off and make it look good.
Looked like a lot of fun.
Actually liked the design of the body mods, hard to pull that off and make it look good.
Don't know who bought it but for the past 3 days I had the high bid at $20,100. Interesting.
Were you able to have a look at the car? Was it solid?
Nope, didn't get a chance to look at it in person. Just based on pictures and descriptions.
Yep....gotta admit...I was eye balling that one too... 
Man...we seem to have similar tastes...It's kinda like we should all hang out together or something...
Man...we seem to have similar tastes...It's kinda like we should all hang out together or something...
I don't know who bought it either , but I did notice they sold another one also.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DeToma...5.l2557#ht_751wt_900
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DeToma...5.l2557#ht_751wt_900
I went to the auction today, and the Pantera sold for $48K. So let me give you a little insight in what I saw.
1. The lines to the radiator were connected together, so the radiator was bypassed.
2. The inner panel on the passenger side that would cover the voltage regulator was missing.
3. The headliner was missing.
4. the front window was loose, as in the rubber was around the glass but the whole piece was just sitting in the channel, I could move it in and out on its opening.
The car was going to Texas, yes Gas Monkeys bought it, so it will be interesting to see if it shows up on the show, and if we see him "barn finding" this car :-)
Mike
1. The lines to the radiator were connected together, so the radiator was bypassed.
2. The inner panel on the passenger side that would cover the voltage regulator was missing.
3. The headliner was missing.
4. the front window was loose, as in the rubber was around the glass but the whole piece was just sitting in the channel, I could move it in and out on its opening.
The car was going to Texas, yes Gas Monkeys bought it, so it will be interesting to see if it shows up on the show, and if we see him "barn finding" this car :-)
Mike
On Saturday they had their preview.
After about 2 seconds I could see that this Pantera 4524 had WAY over 3,800 miles. There was a 1/16 inch grove cut into the shift lever and the inside part of the shift gate had all the chrome worn off at the second gear position. This was one of many signs that the car had over the stated and advertised 3,800 miles. I called one of the auction attendants to have a look and asked if I could see the documentation they had on the car. He took me to the white trailer and they pulled the file they had on the car. We reviewed the title and the very next paper was a Bill of Sale from 1977 clearly showing the miles on the car at that time being just over 32,000. I asked if I could snap a quick picture of the Bill of Sale then I pointed this out to Vanderbrink Auctions. They said that they would announce a correction at the time of the auction, which they did not.
Vanderbrink had heavily promoted this car as being a 3,800 mile car and in their own file that they had for the car showed it had over 32,000 in 1977.
Their way of correcting the problem, make the Bill of Sale go away.
So here it is for all to see
I thought auctioneers had to meet a standard of ethics to obtain a license.
I will be sending this to Provamo as well as any Pantera registry for documentation on 4524.
Will have to say, car had a nice body and lots of potential, but not 3,800 miles
After about 2 seconds I could see that this Pantera 4524 had WAY over 3,800 miles. There was a 1/16 inch grove cut into the shift lever and the inside part of the shift gate had all the chrome worn off at the second gear position. This was one of many signs that the car had over the stated and advertised 3,800 miles. I called one of the auction attendants to have a look and asked if I could see the documentation they had on the car. He took me to the white trailer and they pulled the file they had on the car. We reviewed the title and the very next paper was a Bill of Sale from 1977 clearly showing the miles on the car at that time being just over 32,000. I asked if I could snap a quick picture of the Bill of Sale then I pointed this out to Vanderbrink Auctions. They said that they would announce a correction at the time of the auction, which they did not.
Vanderbrink had heavily promoted this car as being a 3,800 mile car and in their own file that they had for the car showed it had over 32,000 in 1977.
Their way of correcting the problem, make the Bill of Sale go away.
So here it is for all to see
I thought auctioneers had to meet a standard of ethics to obtain a license.
I will be sending this to Provamo as well as any Pantera registry for documentation on 4524.
Will have to say, car had a nice body and lots of potential, but not 3,800 miles
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Wow Jay, surprised the got away with this. Did you end up looking at the Ferrari?
Dennis
Dennis
Hi Dennis
The Ferrari went for 47K. Like a good boy, I stopped bidding at 38K. The car was a mess and the winning bidder was over the internet. They are going to be very upset when they get that car. For a 78 308GTS that needed full paint and mechanicals, 47K was way more money than it was worth.
I went home with an empty trailer and felt pretty good about it
The Ferrari went for 47K. Like a good boy, I stopped bidding at 38K. The car was a mess and the winning bidder was over the internet. They are going to be very upset when they get that car. For a 78 308GTS that needed full paint and mechanicals, 47K was way more money than it was worth.
I went home with an empty trailer and felt pretty good about it
I think your $38K is more than it is worth even if 3X8's are going up. They can have more issues than that "3800" mile Pantera and cost a whole lot more to fix. I'm sure you know this .. I'm being Captain Obvious again.
you are 100% correct.
The only reason I even went to 38 was I could do the paint myself, and well, I really would have liked to play with the 308 for a while.
I should have probably kept the bidding below 34.
I checked the service records on the Ferrari and it had not had the timing belts done in over 22,000 miles. Again, I would have done it myself but my time is worth money also
The only reason I even went to 38 was I could do the paint myself, and well, I really would have liked to play with the 308 for a while.
I should have probably kept the bidding below 34.
I checked the service records on the Ferrari and it had not had the timing belts done in over 22,000 miles. Again, I would have done it myself but my time is worth money also
quote:Originally posted by Quickitty:
you are 100% correct.
The only reason I even went to 38 was I could do the paint myself, and well, I really would have liked to play with the 308 for a while.
I should have probably kept the bidding below 34.
I checked the service records on the Ferrari and it had not had the timing belts done in over 22,000 miles. Again, I would have done it myself but my time is worth money also
Thanks for documenting the 'oversight' on the Pantera mileage. The Pantera community needs to be aware of the truth, and the car deserves a proper history as well.
Far as Ferrari 308/328s, I've had a few and they are among the most reliable of all the Fcars, requiring very little upkeep or the common paranoia that plagues some other models. The belt service is 'engine in' no matter what the internet lore says and the electricals are actually reliable too. Ferrari just got it right with those cars.
I'd avoid the 80-82 'i' models, as those - and MANY cars of the era - were still having some teething pains w then-new emissions standards.
Best wishes in your search!
Did the car come with the Mangusta air filter housing shown in the box of parts? If it did, its worth a few thousand $$
No, the Mangusta air filter was not there when the auction started.
I knew they had some value but no idea how much.
I knew they had some value but no idea how much.
