Pix on ProvaMo (a few).

He wanted 6 figures several years ago (2011), one can only assume that the price has gone up.

It seems like a person would want to present their exclusive car in a very satisfactory light if a person was serious about getting top dollar, by providing lots of recent pictures, and a sexy description at least....

http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...021044826#5021044826

Rocky
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Originally posted by SteveBuchanan:
Pictures of your car will be helpful to everyone along with your asking price. Its Marti report is also helpful with getting a better understanding of this car.


When it came time to obtain a Marti report on my PB, I was told that one could not be produced. I may be wrong but the PB line was a European pre series even for the ones (as mine is) later in the run that has US specs. This is so early and first sold to Italy that most likely would not have one available.
Marti reports are based upon Ford documentation. For a Marti report to exist the car would have had to been imported to North America by Ford and sold as a new car at a Lincoln/Mercury dealership. This car was imported privately to America (Houston if I remember correctly) in the 1980s.

The Pantera with the lowest chassis number imported by Ford was 1286, this is well documented. The last time I investigated Chuck's data, the chassis number of the first non-push button Pantera fell between chassis 1384 and 1386. I would expect Kevin Marti to be capable of producing reports for all North American imports beginning with 1286, but not earlier. That is only my expectation … which may not coincide with reality.
you can add one photo per post by using the
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however, the file size needs to be under 300K (maybe 200K, can't recall exactly)
this will put the photo at the bottom of your post.

to add more than one per post, the photos must be on the internet and have an http address.
type
[img]https://your photo host.com /your photo.jpg[/img]
the photo will appear where you placed these in the text
it is nice to size the photo to about 800X??? to fit the web page

here is a post giving more detail
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...1063156/m/5541044056
Reply or Edit --> Add Attachment --> Browse

Find the Image File on Your Computer and Click on it.

To make them easy to find I normally place the images I plan to upload on the desk top. The Image File must be 300 KB or less.

Add at least one word of text, there must be text. Something like "pic #1" works.

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The alternative is to email your pic/pics to me, I'll upload it/them for you.

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So number #1006 makes it not a penny more worth then #1211 or #1088.
It is a production run car, not a prototype with the magic seats, so no secret about it. OK, maybe put $1000 on top of it for the early number if someone really cares.
The price for #1006 in excellent condition is $95.000.
My opinion.
95 grand for a un modified 20 k miles earliest push button with prototype options no other car has with all documents dating back to Modena I'll buy it from myself for 95 grand lol. Richard from monkey car garage offered me more. And that was over 4 years ago. I want to see if there are any European push buttons out there for sale I think the first 75 are euro not sure but it's hard for me to find another car out there to compare too the president of poca told me my car it depends on what the collector wants to pay to have the earliest in his collection. And I disagree with u on 1006 is same value as Later vins. But what do I know I know nothing about pantera I know I'm listed first on the registery I seen my name on it like 8 years ago. Anyway I'm not in desperate need to sell it we had it since 1991 my dad bought it then I got it if I don't get a good price I'll just keep it another 27 years. But it would be nice to know what other European push buttons are selling for that are orig and. Any one that wants pics can text me I tried to upload pics and it say I can't upload it jmp. I not sure why it say I can't upload jmp what does this mean jpg.
To see European Pantera's you just need to search European sites;

There's currently one PB in Austria for sale EUR120K another in Italy EUR185K and one more in Begium EUR175K. Those of course are asking prices, it's hard to find documented sales prices.

Personally I wouldn't put much credence to anything Richard Rawlings says or does and 4 years ago was probably a high in the market, it has softened of late.

You are better off deciding what you are happy letting it go for and just posting a price and save a bunch of posts you think are insulting. If you are just fishing for a fat cat with deep pockets, take it to auction and set a minimum reserve, we all spent our money already! Big Grin
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Originally posted by ItalFord:
Steve, I don't think it will sell at that price. Not even close. If I had that much money to spend I would buy a Mangusta instead. I think it has the potential to maintain its value over the push button.


Agreed on investment potential, but you'll be really lucky to find a Mangusta for that money any more, add at least another $100K
I bought mine in 2016 in Italy from 2nd owner - #1173 - for 230.000,00€
It is an unmodified and highly original, very well restored, very well driving car !!! I did get a 2nd set of wheels. I think for this early PB Pantera, the price is still correct : you don't find them very often in original condition, most are molested (especially US cars, unfortunately).

My car IS NOT FOR SALE !!

http://www.corseestrada.com/ca...to-pantera-pulsante/


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Originally posted by Eric de earliest 1006:
95 grand for a un modified 20 k miles earliest push button with prototype options no other car has with all documents dating back to Modena I'll buy it from myself for 95 grand lol. Richard from monkey car garage offered me more. And that was over 4 years ago. I want to see if there are any European push buttons out there for sale I think the first 75 are euro not sure but it's hard for me to find another car out there to compare too the president of poca told me my car it depends on what the collector wants to pay to have the earliest in his collection. And I disagree with u on 1006 is same value as Later vins. But what do I know I know nothing about pantera I know I'm listed first on the registery I seen my name on it like 8 years ago. Anyway I'm not in desperate need to sell it we had it since 1991 my dad bought it then I got it if I don't get a good price I'll just keep it another 27 years. But it would be nice to know what other European push buttons are selling for that are orig and. Any one that wants pics can text me I tried to upload pics and it say I can't upload it jmp. I not sure why it say I can't upload jmp what does this mean jpg.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by patvgFORZA:
I bought mine in 2016 in Italy from 2nd owner - #1173 - for 230.000,00€
It is an unmodified and highly original, very well restored, very well driving car !!! I did get a 2nd set of wheels. I think for this early PB Pantera, the price is still correct : you don't find them very often in original condition, most are molested (especially US cars, unfortunately).

My car IS NOT FOR SALE !!
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I am not sure if this is a general view, personal take when it comes to Panteras is that it's hard to use the term "molesting" - they're highly individualized cars and reflect the love of and commitment for long term ownership of those who care for them. Fashions through the years admittedly dictated some changes. If veering from original made for molesting the case, the factory was first in line to reflect this. I went often to the factory while growing up in Italy, there was a fair amount of modifications (upgrades) promoted through the years, the engines, the brakes, steering column, hood vents, etc. That they command a high price if fully original is true for Europe as of the last few years - may be here too, yours is truly stunningly done but a higher price should, I think, more reflect the great work done by the restoring artisans than anything else. I have a 3/ 71 built PB - US version, untouched from original and extensively gone through/ fastidiously maintained mechanically for dependability, but I agree with others that originality is not a sine qua non to consider when purchasing these cars - may add some but not that dramatically high a premium. It seems as I followed these cars through the years that it became a recent fashion more than mechanical culture to own original models for those who won't drive these cars only and will head into collecting.


For as much as you indicate cost, I will sale mine any day and buy a GTS.......
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Originally posted by Eric de earliest 1006:
95 grand for a un modified 20 k miles earliest push button ...


Unmodified? What about the hood vents in this picture from Facebook, posted about 2 or 3 years ago?

The cowboy offered to post pictures for you, no excuse for no pictures. I suspect the car isn't in 6 figure condition.

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I find your early Pantera really interesting, and I think it’s more valuable because it’s a prototype. But you say it’s unmodified, when it sure is not. Question is, who did it and is the changes documented?
What I would really like to know is; what year is your documents dating back to Modena? I suspect, as for my own #01025, that DeTomaso brought it back from the backyard and sold it as new in 73/74.
Hi Espen-

The history is on ProvaMo.... I don’t think it’s history is like your car’s... it seems to have been sold early in Italy.

There is a picture of a red car, and obvious pix of the car being repainted yellow ( the fastest color and Alejandro’s favorite).

I think it’s a very interesting car, with a well documented original provance.... at least through the initial owners, but there is not much available on ProvaMo regarding the car’s later history....

Chuck / Rocky
Hi Chuck,
I have read the registry entry. You’re probably right. And if the seller wants top dollar based on history this is essential information.
Nothing wrong about updating or modifying, but for the interest of history it’s fun to see how the first Panteras were made.
ericdeearliest1006 posted:
95 grand for a un modified 20 k miles earliest push button with prototype options no other car has with all documents dating back to Modena I'll buy it from myself for 95 grand lol. Richard from monkey car garage offered me more. And that was over 4 years ago. I want to see if there are any European push buttons out there for sale I think the first 75 are euro not sure but it's hard for me to find another car out there to compare too the president of poca told me my car it depends on what the collector wants to pay to have the earliest in his collection. And I disagree with u on 1006 is same value as Later vins. But what do I know I know nothing about pantera I know I'm listed first on the registery I seen my name on it like 8 years ago. Anyway I'm not in desperate need to sell it we had it since 1991 my dad bought it then I got it if I don't get a good price I'll just keep it another 27 years. But it would be nice to know what other European push buttons are selling for that are orig and. Any one that wants pics can text me I tried to upload pics and it say I can't upload it jmp. I not sure why it say I can't upload jmp what does this mean jpg.

my 1103 Euro  and 1310 USA import (no. 2 conditions) are for sale on phoenix craigslist for 160 K and 150K respectively. please note that the early E Types  could be considered as prototypes  and do fetch a premium of 200% on up.Also Ferrari 308 Vetroresinas  (fiberglass cars), 742 in number ,  have typically sold for 300K plus and seem to have settled at 180K. It is known that collectors do prefer the earliest examples in general.

dvil posted:
I find your early Pantera really interesting, and I think it’s more valuable because it’s a prototype. But you say it’s unmodified, when it sure is not. Question is, who did it and is the changes documented?
What I would really like to know is; what year is your documents dating back to Modena? I suspect, as for my own #01025, that DeTomaso brought it back from the backyard and sold it as new in 73/74.

The sales of Euro pushbuttons were strung out by DeTomaso. My two Euro pushbuttons nos.1103 and no.1185 for example got Dash2 ZF transaxles. Most if not all of USA delivery  PB,s got Dash 1 ZF,s(as in my 1310 USA  delivery)I think DeT, being the wiley dealer, realized that the DASH 2 ZF was superior and saved them for his Euro delivery cars.

mangustaman posted:
dvil posted:
I find your early Pantera really interesting, and I think it’s more valuable because it’s a prototype. But you say it’s unmodified, when it sure is not. Question is, who did it and is the changes documented?
What I would really like to know is; what year is your documents dating back to Modena? I suspect, as for my own #01025, that DeTomaso brought it back from the backyard and sold it as new in 73/74.

The sales of Euro pushbuttons were strung out by DeTomaso. My two Euro pushbuttons nos.1103 and no.1185 for example got Dash2 ZF transaxles. Most if not all of USA delivery  PB,s got Dash 1 ZF,s(as in my 1310 USA  delivery)I think DeT, being the wiley dealer, realized that the DASH 2 ZF was superior and saved them for his Euro delivery cars.

correction:

patvgforza posted:
I bought mine in 2016 in Italy from 2nd owner - #1173 - for 230.000,00€
It is an unmodified and highly original, very well restored, very well driving car !!! I did get a 2nd set of wheels. I think for this early PB Pantera, the price is still correct : you don't find them very often in original condition, most are molested (especially US cars, unfortunately).

My car IS NOT FOR SALE !!

http://www.corseestrada.com/ca...to-pantera-pulsante/


quote:
Originally posted by Eric de earliest 1006:
95 grand for a un modified 20 k miles earliest push button with prototype options no other car has with all documents dating back to Modena I'll buy it from myself for 95 grand lol. Richard from monkey car garage offered me more. And that was over 4 years ago. I want to see if there are any European push buttons out there for sale I think the first 75 are euro not sure but it's hard for me to find another car out there to compare too the president of poca told me my car it depends on what the collector wants to pay to have the earliest in his collection. And I disagree with u on 1006 is same value as Later vins. But what do I know I know nothing about pantera I know I'm listed first on the registery I seen my name on it like 8 years ago. Anyway I'm not in desperate need to sell it we had it since 1991 my dad bought it then I got it if I don't get a good price I'll just keep it another 27 years. But it would be nice to know what other European push buttons are selling for that are orig and. Any one that wants pics can text me I tried to upload pics and it say I can't upload it jmp. I not sure why it say I can't upload jmp what does this mean jpg.

OK Folks Here is the price setter :approx 250K for a highly original,very well restored,well driving car Euro car. Sounds Identicle  to my 1108. which I currently have on Phoenix Craiglist at 160K.That price is now history.

my 1103 PB is actually 1108. sorry for the mix up.

Well that Euro sale was 2016 and Euro prices do tend to be quite a bit higher due to import duties paid etc., the market is quite different now than then, the challenge is finding a recent sale that reflects the current market on the low volume models. 

Fortunately you won't have to wait long as #1263 is for sale 'no reserve' (estimate of $100-125K) at RM Sotheby's January Scottsdale auction;

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auct...ntera-by-ghia/731893

thank you for the info on the pushbutton. a review of the listing shows that the car has lost most of its PB characteristics retaining only the PB window trim and the PB door handle   Every thing else has been modified.It is a beautiful car. I predict the car will sell in the 85-90 bid range.as a somewhat historical flashy pantera  On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 11:20:02 AM MST, The De Tomaso Forums <alerts@hoop.la> wrote:

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Well that Euro sale was 2016 and Euro prices do tend to be quite a bit higher due to import duties paid etc., the market is quite different now than then, the challenge is finding a recent sale that reflects the current market on the low volume models. 

Fortunately you won't have to wait long as #1263 is for sale 'no reserve' (estimate of $100-125K) at RM Sotheby's January Scottsdale auction;

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auct...ntera-by-ghia/731893
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Yes it is always easy to talk up the attributes of one's own car and talk down the competition. No matter what it is it will get recorded in the sales as a PB and bring down average selling price for PB's. 

All that said the only factor that matters is the market and the individual sale, cars that hang around for long periods are not finding a buyer because of condition or price or a combination thereof. Originality is prized and 1006 is the first pre-production Pantera (I can't call it a prototype as it's not the first of a kind), maybe if it were in better condition and more original it would find that buyer.

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thank you for the info on the pushbutton. a review of the listing shows that the car has lost most of its PB characteristics retaining only the PB window trim and the PB door handle   Every thing else has been modified.It is a beautiful car. I predict the car will sell in the 85-90 bid range.as a somewhat historical flashy pantera  On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 11:20:02 AM MST, The De Tomaso Forums <alerts@hoop.la> wrote:

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Well that Euro sale was 2016 and Euro prices do tend to be quite a bit higher due to import duties paid etc., the market is quite different now than then, the challenge is finding a recent sale that reflects the current market on the low volume models. 

Fortunately you won't have to wait long as #1263 is for sale 'no reserve' (estimate of $100-125K) at RM Sotheby's January Scottsdale auction;

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I predicted a sale at 85K-90K. I was there bidding and it sold for 75K bid which is 90K out the door.Beautiful car  but so blinged out it would not be feasible to bring it back to original condition

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thank you for the info on the pushbutton. a review of the listing shows that the car has lost most of its PB characteristics retaining only the PB window trim and the PB door handle   Every thing else has been modified.It is a beautiful car. I predict the car will sell in the 85-90 bid range.as a somewhat historical flashy pantera  On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 11:20:02 AM MST, The De Tomaso Forums <alerts@hoop.la> wrote:

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Well that Euro sale was 2016 and Euro prices do tend to be quite a bit higher due to import duties paid etc., the market is quite different now than then, the challenge is finding a recent sale that reflects the current market on the low volume models. 

Fortunately you won't have to wait long as #1263 is for sale 'no reserve' (estimate of $100-125K) at RM Sotheby's January Scottsdale auction;

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I predicted a sale at 85K-90K. I was there bidding and it sold for 75K bid which is 90K out the door.Beautiful car  but so blinged out it would not be feasible to bring it back to original condition

AHHHHH!!!!! I would have bought it at that price!!! 

I did not even try because of the price to bid on 1 car then the estimate on top of that... 

Anyone see one like that for that price get a hold of me quick!!!

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