Me personally I think this is a little freaky. First news of interested US and Chinese investors, then these pics the same day afew hours apart....something is up. I think a new Pantera should be just that a "new" Pantera not a kit and not like a Noble, being completely built in Italy would lend some credibility to the endeavor. The Ford GT engine is a must though I think we all agree it must maintain its heritage. This is great news if it works out, if resurrected the DeTomaso marque will surely once again go down as one of the all time greats....If it goes to production I'm selling all my toys and standing on line right behind you guys.
I'm not sure what color I should be dreaming about... classic Lime (an homage to my car's original color)...
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... or Tangerine, the colour of Pantera I always wanted...
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
... or Tangerine, the colour of Pantera I always wanted...
Mark, did you notice the Lambo orange Pantera Mike Mayberry had for sale a while back? It must have made you sweat!
I want mine gloss black with white DeTomaso Pantera GTS stickers on the side.
Ok, I want this car - bad!, So I was daydreaming... If I was to look at a brochure, of this car, this is what I might expect to see (pardon my poor marketting lingo):
The 2011 Pantera, a supercar renovation of the 1970s classic. Brought to you by Ford on the 40th anniversary of the original Pantera.
The body is aluminum construction with carbon fiber accents on a stainless steel frame for a svelte 2600 pounds. With a Cosworth V10 Biturbo engine, capable of producing 800 HP and 10,000 RPM. The powerplant can of propel this mechanical masterpiece to a top speed of 225 MPH and 0-60 in 2.3 sec. Its a exotic car with a race car soul.
Special features include Heads-Up display, Lamborghini scissor doors, and speed controlled retracting spoiler which activates at 150 MPH.
With a price tag of $140,000, this is the closest you'll get to feel what its like to fly inside a silver bullet.
Ideas?
The 2011 Pantera, a supercar renovation of the 1970s classic. Brought to you by Ford on the 40th anniversary of the original Pantera.
The body is aluminum construction with carbon fiber accents on a stainless steel frame for a svelte 2600 pounds. With a Cosworth V10 Biturbo engine, capable of producing 800 HP and 10,000 RPM. The powerplant can of propel this mechanical masterpiece to a top speed of 225 MPH and 0-60 in 2.3 sec. Its a exotic car with a race car soul.
Special features include Heads-Up display, Lamborghini scissor doors, and speed controlled retracting spoiler which activates at 150 MPH.
With a price tag of $140,000, this is the closest you'll get to feel what its like to fly inside a silver bullet.
Ideas?
One extra pic:
http://www.motorcities.com/contents/07/2007-DeTomaso-Pa..._07GNF444704546.html
The artist's name is Stefan Schulze.
I'll look at doing a 1:4 scale mock up in pearlboard (I was going to do a Pantera anyway). I'll need measurements - and/or tech drawings. Does anyone have the time to try and get in touch with Stefan?
This'll tell us whether we can use propriatary windshields etc. And whether full molds can be taken. Also, i'll be able to manufacture GRP bodyshells at 1:4 scale for you guys!
I might do it 1:5 scale - otherwise it'll be about 3'6" long.....
Same goes for the original Pantera if anyone has got tech drawings???
http://www.motorcities.com/contents/07/2007-DeTomaso-Pa..._07GNF444704546.html
The artist's name is Stefan Schulze.
I'll look at doing a 1:4 scale mock up in pearlboard (I was going to do a Pantera anyway). I'll need measurements - and/or tech drawings. Does anyone have the time to try and get in touch with Stefan?
This'll tell us whether we can use propriatary windshields etc. And whether full molds can be taken. Also, i'll be able to manufacture GRP bodyshells at 1:4 scale for you guys!
I might do it 1:5 scale - otherwise it'll be about 3'6" long.....
Same goes for the original Pantera if anyone has got tech drawings???
I have just come across this thread after it was mentioned on the gt40s.com forum. its one of the most exciting threads i have come across. looks brilliant and the rear strongly follows the official Pantera prototype shown by De Tomaso in 2002. Strange also that the picture posted by Richard T of the Ford prototype strongly resembles the Mangusta from the rear three quarter in particular.
Steve
Steve
Can someone go here and see what is going on:
http://www.firstsignal.de/
My system won't give me access to the original pics. This is Stefan Schulze's website.
Ta
http://www.firstsignal.de/
My system won't give me access to the original pics. This is Stefan Schulze's website.
Ta
I wrote to Stefan asking whether he had made this for hire by an auto manufacturer/developer or for his personal reasons and this was his response:
"It is a shame, but the Panthera is not an official Fiat or De Tomaso design. That’s way I called Panthera with “H”. It is my own interpretation about the well known Pantera. I´m a 3D artist and designer and I create car design to show my knowing about 3D visualization but I ever interested to sell my design. If you know persons how could be interested in production, then please forward my stuff. As you as a Pantera owner thank you very much that you like the modern style.
Best Regards
Stefan"
"It is a shame, but the Panthera is not an official Fiat or De Tomaso design. That’s way I called Panthera with “H”. It is my own interpretation about the well known Pantera. I´m a 3D artist and designer and I create car design to show my knowing about 3D visualization but I ever interested to sell my design. If you know persons how could be interested in production, then please forward my stuff. As you as a Pantera owner thank you very much that you like the modern style.
Best Regards
Stefan"
This weeks Autoweek says Detomaso may be bought by an AMerican/Chineese consortium. Wouldn't it be great if it was made in China and sold for $10,000 just like before?????
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...Wouldn't it be great if it was made in China...
NO!
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...and sold for $10,000 just like before...
NO! $60K - $90K would be terrific
WOW ...now thats the ticket ... that car and 10 million to buy the factory ..would be a dream come true. That car is perfect in every way ...matter of fact it has sparked my creative thoughts on side scoops for 6476.
All we need now is a chicken farmer to get some investors to put a deal together .. factory, concept, and money ..what else do we need.
I dont want to put a negitive spin on this but with the BIG 3 going down the tubes .. not much profit in te USA making cars these days ..and ITALY with all of the UUUUUTTTMMM .. politics ..well its not such a great place to make cars either.
Ron
All we need now is a chicken farmer to get some investors to put a deal together .. factory, concept, and money ..what else do we need.
I dont want to put a negitive spin on this but with the BIG 3 going down the tubes .. not much profit in te USA making cars these days ..and ITALY with all of the UUUUUTTTMMM .. politics ..well its not such a great place to make cars either.
Ron
Would be great if were to be built in Italy, and without Chinese money. Presently the only downside I can think of..Chinese =Cheap death trap!!!
Funny you say that about the chinese ..there was a little piece of info on the AC Cobra forum ..which is mostly poeple from the UK because obviuosly AC was in the UK ..but they state that in the USA our cars only last 10 - 15 years now max .. its obviuos its not made with US steel. The Asian auto makers make them fast and cheap ... throw away society is what we have become. I say build a fine automobile like our brothers Ferrari and Lambo. There are people who will buy them. Another perspective ...I couldnt afford a Pantera new .. so it took me 30 years .. but I have a fine automobile that outlasted 10 - 15 years.
Ron
Ron
Eventually Chinese companies will have to improve the quality of their products, just as the Japanese did. Entering the global auto market will be an eye opener for Chinese companies, with all the safety & environmental reglations that are necessary to comply with in order to build a car that can be sold in any market around the world.
But that time hasn't occured yet. Until then, the world community perceives something being made in China as being made cheaply. No automaker of an up-scale car like a new Pantera wants the world to perceive their car that way.
Pricing is important too. If you price a new Pantera in the same range as a Ford Focus, the public will not perceive that as a bargain, they will perceive the new Pantera the same way the perceive the Ford Focus. No one would believe a mid engine exotic that is priced no higher than a Mustang is worth a damn.
Ron, I beleive the US automakers lack decisive, visionary leadership. Chrysler was once headed down the tubes, then Iacocca took the helm and restored Chrysler to health in a remarkably short time. However, visionary leaders like to have significant control of a company, and it may be that the entrenched bureaucracies, boards of directors, and what have you may no longer be willing to give a visionary leader the kind of control that was given Iacocca when he took the helm at Chrysler. That's my advice for any corporation in financial trouble, go out and find a strong individualistic leader, but be prepared to give this visionary all the free reign and control they need to do their job.
The board of directors at Ford have been in control of the last several CEOs, all the while the corporation has been sliding downhill. Do you think this board of directors have ever taken a look at themselves and asked "what are we doing wrong"? No, they hire another CEO and box him in just like they did the last one.
But that time hasn't occured yet. Until then, the world community perceives something being made in China as being made cheaply. No automaker of an up-scale car like a new Pantera wants the world to perceive their car that way.
Pricing is important too. If you price a new Pantera in the same range as a Ford Focus, the public will not perceive that as a bargain, they will perceive the new Pantera the same way the perceive the Ford Focus. No one would believe a mid engine exotic that is priced no higher than a Mustang is worth a damn.
Ron, I beleive the US automakers lack decisive, visionary leadership. Chrysler was once headed down the tubes, then Iacocca took the helm and restored Chrysler to health in a remarkably short time. However, visionary leaders like to have significant control of a company, and it may be that the entrenched bureaucracies, boards of directors, and what have you may no longer be willing to give a visionary leader the kind of control that was given Iacocca when he took the helm at Chrysler. That's my advice for any corporation in financial trouble, go out and find a strong individualistic leader, but be prepared to give this visionary all the free reign and control they need to do their job.
The board of directors at Ford have been in control of the last several CEOs, all the while the corporation has been sliding downhill. Do you think this board of directors have ever taken a look at themselves and asked "what are we doing wrong"? No, they hire another CEO and box him in just like they did the last one.
wow i love that car!
quote:Originally posted by SoCal:
You could make it work in the US if it was done as a "kit" car, kind of like the Noble. Build a tube or a monocoque(sp) frame put it all together and sell it without an engine or drivetrain. Use Ford GT transaxles or even a corvette trans set-up. The manufacturer (seller) would then have a list of authorized drivetrain installers or you could do it yourself. This way you could bypass all the required DOT inspections.
Superformance in South Africa. http://www.superformance.com/
One of the SCPOCA members just got a GT40 from them. Build quality is incredible. They also build the Noble.
That 2002 Pantera I'm not really sure about. The pictures of the car that started this topic. Those get me excited!
What do you guys think about the 2002 drawings and model?
What do you guys think about the 2002 drawings and model?
quote:What do you guys think about the 2002 drawings and model?
I have always thought and heard that the design highlights of the Pantera was the angularity of the body. Smooth, but not rounded. There are a bunch of crisp - straight - lines throughout the body.
The factory model lost that angularity, shifting, as has Ferrari and the Dodge Viper, to a more rounded, less masculine and agressive form.
I REALLY like the newer 2007 drawings done by Stephan in Germany. He has pulled off an obviously modernized updating of the Pantera, but retained that agressive, angular flavor of our original cars.
Larry
The pictures that started this thread retain the lines and character of the original car. Sharp and crisp. It makes a statment just like the 71 did when it came out. The rounded edges of the 2002 prototype make the car look more common. I guess I have the same opinion as Larry -Stephan's design RULES!!!
quote:Originally posted by Mark Mensen:
That 2002 Pantera I'm not really sure about. The pictures of the car that started this topic. Those get me excited!
What do you guys think about the 2002 drawings and model?
pls forgive...not wanting to be flamed...but the first thing that popped into my mind when i saw the 2002 was Nissan 350Z...
quote:Originally posted by Mark Mensen:
That 2002 Pantera I'm not really sure about. The pictures of the car that started this topic. Those get me excited!
What do you guys think about the 2002 drawings and model?
I realy dislike the front. Looks like a Mecury Milan.
I have to agree that I prefer Stephan's model. The level of detail is incredible. He kept the beltline crease that comes off the nose, down the side of the car and blends into the rear quarter panel. He also kept the rear window tunnel clean and simple. He incorporated the two-tone paint and lettering, and he did some nice modern touches like blending the A-pillar into the roofline.
The proportions are all pleasing and look correct, and the car still has that cat's eye stare when you look at it. Very impressive.
The proportions are all pleasing and look correct, and the car still has that cat's eye stare when you look at it. Very impressive.
I too must agree that Stephan's model is spot on when it comes to an updated Pantera. Stephan, if your reading this, could you show us a model with some DEEP hood vents (ala GT-40 style) to give the front end some down force?
Ron
Ron
Stephen's model more closely catches the essence Tom T's intrepretation of a running Panther in a very modern form. In his slide show on car design, he talks about how the crouched mass of the cat in full run represents the power and speed of the cat. That same crouched mass is captured in the bulge behind the B pillar and is set off by the black louvers of the Pantera. I believe that natural representation of a cat is why the Pantera has stayed so fresh for so long.
The other design leaves me flat.
The other design leaves me flat.
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When I first saw the factory shot of the next Pantera, I was extremely disappointed. The front end is just plain ugly. The rest of the design had very little styling from the original. I do not know who penned this design, but I doubt that it was Tom T.
It is amazing how Stephan’s design captures the essence of the original. Yet, it is still very contemporary. There is no doubt that when you look at this version it screams modern day Pantera.
The young man is talented. He apparently just needs someone to get him hooked up to a design studio.
This car needs to be built. All Pantera bias aside, it is as good as or better than any of the current offing coming out of Italy, Germany or anywhere else.
It is amazing how Stephan’s design captures the essence of the original. Yet, it is still very contemporary. There is no doubt that when you look at this version it screams modern day Pantera.
The young man is talented. He apparently just needs someone to get him hooked up to a design studio.
This car needs to be built. All Pantera bias aside, it is as good as or better than any of the current offing coming out of Italy, Germany or anywhere else.
In my opinion the 2002 car sucked, it looked like an egg. Not anything I would like to be driving in, the "new" car I would sell organs for!!
Looks like the original pics have been removed. Did anyone save them?
Me no like.
It should be renamed. Lets see. Saturn has been taken.
It should be renamed. Lets see. Saturn has been taken.
Saturn's taken, but I think Uranus might be available... Its also a little more descriptive of the style.
Another response from Stefan on whether we can A) Build a model of his project and B) Has he got any dimensions to give us:
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Hello Phil,
thank you very much for mail and sorry for late response. I can support you with low quality views for dimensions that could be help you. It means yes, you can build up an model if you like this. There are now size available because I use not a CAD software just only a 3D presentation software. I´m only interested in cool stuff, not in 100 percent correct files. But I used the Lamborghini Gallardo as shape for the Panthera. Means I use the same size, the windshield for an example is absolutely the same form like the Gallardo glass. Maybe I could be help too, using a Gallardo as blueprint.
If I found time I will try to send you some special views…
Best
Stefan
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Hello Phil,
thank you very much for mail and sorry for late response. I can support you with low quality views for dimensions that could be help you. It means yes, you can build up an model if you like this. There are now size available because I use not a CAD software just only a 3D presentation software. I´m only interested in cool stuff, not in 100 percent correct files. But I used the Lamborghini Gallardo as shape for the Panthera. Means I use the same size, the windshield for an example is absolutely the same form like the Gallardo glass. Maybe I could be help too, using a Gallardo as blueprint.
If I found time I will try to send you some special views…
Best
Stefan
Phil,
Please convey to Stefan that his is the BEST modern interpretation of a DeTomaso car I have ever seen. He has managed to capture the classic details and proportions of a Pantera with a very high level of refinement and finesse that is sorely lacking in most modern re-interpretive designs (the most recent Ford Mustang comes to mind).
If he was to apply this level of talent to a Mangusta redesign, these two cars could form a very solid base from which to resurrect the DeTomaso marque. If the right development team was at the helm (ie. visionaries not shysters) with adequate experience, resources and focus (no SUV’s or mini cars to sully the brand) there would almost certainly be good money to be made. One only has to look at the Ford GT and even the Superformance and CAV GT40 replicas that are selling VERY well.
Anyone who has ever shown their Pantera at a car show will tell you that there is still an amazing level of interest and pretty high awareness for such a low-volume marque. This car would, at the right price (just under $100k) sell very well, I’m sure.
Fantastic job Stefan!
Please convey to Stefan that his is the BEST modern interpretation of a DeTomaso car I have ever seen. He has managed to capture the classic details and proportions of a Pantera with a very high level of refinement and finesse that is sorely lacking in most modern re-interpretive designs (the most recent Ford Mustang comes to mind).
If he was to apply this level of talent to a Mangusta redesign, these two cars could form a very solid base from which to resurrect the DeTomaso marque. If the right development team was at the helm (ie. visionaries not shysters) with adequate experience, resources and focus (no SUV’s or mini cars to sully the brand) there would almost certainly be good money to be made. One only has to look at the Ford GT and even the Superformance and CAV GT40 replicas that are selling VERY well.
Anyone who has ever shown their Pantera at a car show will tell you that there is still an amazing level of interest and pretty high awareness for such a low-volume marque. This car would, at the right price (just under $100k) sell very well, I’m sure.
Fantastic job Stefan!
Yeah, Stefan's interpretation is cool, though I don't like the headlights, and I do think the rear fender flares should be a bit bigger. Overall though, it's awesome.
I don't like the 2002 model at all. Bleah. I can't believe the design got that far. Who O.K.'s that stuff?
I don't like the 2002 model at all. Bleah. I can't believe the design got that far. Who O.K.'s that stuff?
Ok so whats the next step? We obviously all love this interpretation so whose arm do we need to twist here??? This car cant become just another fantasy.
Hey... I love it too,, I just started scrolling down and there is so uch more than just exterior apperance..just hang 71-89 Pantera suspension under it....and leave off the air bags..abs. navigation, Onstar collision avoidance, I can open the door on my new car and drag my leg.. but I can't put in in reverse without steping on the brake.. Are we still in the bar?quote:Originally posted by SoCal:
You could make it work in the US if it was done as a "kit" car, kind of like the Noble. Build a tube or a monocoque(sp) frame put it all together and sell it without an engine or drivetrain. Use Ford GT transaxles or even a corvette trans set-up. The manufacturer (seller) would then have a list of authorized drivetrain installers or you could do it yourself. This way you could bypass all the required DOT inspections.
Or
Do like the all the Cobra knock-offs, have someone build a chassis, have someone else make the body panels, etc, the car would still be a 1971 - 1974 DeTomaso Pantera with updated body panels. So essentially it would be a "replicar".
Is it possible or am I just talking out of my butt?