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PANTHERA - IS THIS HOT OR WHAT!!!!!!

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duz185duz185The 3331 album
I absolutely agree that this is the best concept Pantera supercar I've seen. My only question if this were brought to market is what would it do to the value of our current Panteras? Would they increase in value due to the renewed interest? Or depreciate because they will officially be outdated? I don't know if its only me, but after looking at these pictures, my car looks really old...

Thoughts?

-William
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Pantera 3rd&LastPantera 3rd&LastMember
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My only question if this were brought to market is what would it do to the value of our current Panteras? Would they increase in value due to the renewed interest? Or depreciate because they will officially be outdated? I don't know if its only me, but after looking at these pictures, my car looks really old...


William,

Not to worry. Your Pantera is the "Classic" Pantera.
If (and this is a very big if) this car ever was to be built it would increase interest in the original.The new Pantera would have to cost $100K +. To keep costs under 100K it would have to be built on an existing platform of a current mass production "mid engine" car.
Is there one?

And no your car is not looking old. The styling IMO is timeless.
montecarlo296montecarlo296Member
Without serious corporate cash the only way we (I use the royal "we" as i'm in England) could build this would be a rebodying of something existing.

A bespoke chassis isn't really an option due to safety tests etc - unless we talked to someone like Ultima about "borrowing" their Chassis

Wheelbase is the main consideration - there's nothing to say that building this over an existing Pantera would give the correct aesthetics unless you scaled the body from the relative wheelbase - just look at those MR2 Ferrari replicas!!!????

The profile looks a bit TVR. But they're front engined.

*Flash of inspiration!* How's about that burned out Guara that was knocking around as a donor?

It needs a foam/plaster/wood buck making up, then really decent fiberglass moulds taking off this.

We also would need to find whoever created it as we could get into copyright wranglings.

Proper minefield. I still want one tho'.
socalsocalMaster of my domain
You could make it work in the US if it was done as a "kit" car, kind of like the Noble. Build a tube or a monocoque(sp) frame put it all together and sell it without an engine or drivetrain. Use Ford GT transaxles or even a corvette trans set-up. The manufacturer (seller) would then have a list of authorized drivetrain installers or you could do it yourself. This way you could bypass all the required DOT inspections.

Or

Do like the all the Cobra knock-offs, have someone build a chassis, have someone else make the body panels, etc, the car would still be a 1971 - 1974 DeTomaso Pantera with updated body panels. So essentially it would be a "replicar".

Is it possible or am I just talking out of my butt?
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by SoCal:
You could make it work in the US if it was done as a "kit" car, kind of like the Noble. Build a tube or a monocoque(sp) frame put it all together and sell it without an engine or drivetrain. Use Ford GT transaxles or even a corvette trans set-up. The manufacturer (seller) would then have a list of authorized drivetrain installers or you could do it yourself. This way you could bypass all the required DOT inspections.

Or

Do like the all the Cobra knock-offs, have someone build a chassis, have someone else make the body panels, etc, the car would still be a 1971 - 1974 DeTomaso Pantera with updated body panels. So essentially it would be a "replicar".

Is it possible or am I just talking out of my butt?


Fran Hall (Race Car Replicas) could almost certainly do them. We just need to arrange a group buy to cover the development and specialty parts tooling, but using their driveline (GT40 should be adequate) and suspension expertise we'd have a really serious machine.

http://race-car-replicas.com/

I'll be happy to take deposits into my Swiss account... Big Grin
shotgungroomsshotgungroomsMember
Ok, it looks like it’s a done deal. We will just tap into our PI reserve funds (George) and we will buy DeTomaso, then we will hire Santiago and Tjaarda for our new company (PI Detomaso Inc). With some hard work we should be able to start production of the new Pantera buy 2008. So I guess step 1 is for George to round up the funds ($,$$$,$$$) we have saved up. Eeker What do ya think about the plan? Big Grin
carbocarboMember
All joking aside, I know of DOZENS of business ideas funded by OPM that make this car idea seem as stable as money in the bank*

Does this sound familiar:
Our mission statement is to provide consumers an easy-access pet food website freeing them from the shackles of conventional brick-and-mortar pet food stores! We've raised 50 million dollars to date and wise investors should get on board or miss out on this great opportunity!

- now, a new Pantera still sounds crazy?

*Not George's bank in the picture
cuveecuveeMember
Hey...This sounds like a neat idea! OK...Lets see, George to round up the funds...Great! Tjaarda on broad...also Great! Now we get to Santiago?
OK...heres were I get tarred and feathered!?
I think Santiago would make a great company head/spokesmen? But don't let him near the capital funds! The Detomso name lives on!!!
deloreansanddetomasosdeloreansanddetomasosMember
Me personally I think this is a little freaky. First news of interested US and Chinese investors, then these pics the same day afew hours apart....something is up. I think a new Pantera should be just that a "new" Pantera not a kit and not like a Noble, being completely built in Italy would lend some credibility to the endeavor. The Ford GT engine is a must though I think we all agree it must maintain its heritage. This is great news if it works out, if resurrected the DeTomaso marque will surely once again go down as one of the all time greats....If it goes to production I'm selling all my toys and standing on line right behind you guys.
duz185duz185The 3331 album
Ok, I want this car - bad!, So I was daydreaming... If I was to look at a brochure, of this car, this is what I might expect to see (pardon my poor marketting lingo):

The 2011 Pantera, a supercar renovation of the 1970s classic. Brought to you by Ford on the 40th anniversary of the original Pantera.

The body is aluminum construction with carbon fiber accents on a stainless steel frame for a svelte 2600 pounds. With a Cosworth V10 Biturbo engine, capable of producing 800 HP and 10,000 RPM. The powerplant can of propel this mechanical masterpiece to a top speed of 225 MPH and 0-60 in 2.3 sec. Its a exotic car with a race car soul.

Special features include Heads-Up display, Lamborghini scissor doors, and speed controlled retracting spoiler which activates at 150 MPH.

With a price tag of $140,000, this is the closest you'll get to feel what its like to fly inside a silver bullet.

Ideas?
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montecarlo296montecarlo296Member
One extra pic:
http://www.motorcities.com/contents/07/2007-DeTomaso-Pa..._07GNF444704546.html

The artist's name is Stefan Schulze.

I'll look at doing a 1:4 scale mock up in pearlboard (I was going to do a Pantera anyway). I'll need measurements - and/or tech drawings. Does anyone have the time to try and get in touch with Stefan?

This'll tell us whether we can use propriatary windshields etc. And whether full molds can be taken. Also, i'll be able to manufacture GRP bodyshells at 1:4 scale for you guys!

I might do it 1:5 scale - otherwise it'll be about 3'6" long.....

Same goes for the original Pantera if anyone has got tech drawings???
S stephen (Guest)
I have just come across this thread after it was mentioned on the gt40s.com forum. its one of the most exciting threads i have come across. looks brilliant and the rear strongly follows the official Pantera prototype shown by De Tomaso in 2002. Strange also that the picture posted by Richard T of the Ford prototype strongly resembles the Mangusta from the rear three quarter in particular.
Steve
duz185duz185The 3331 album
I wrote to Stefan asking whether he had made this for hire by an auto manufacturer/developer or for his personal reasons and this was his response:

"It is a shame, but the Panthera is not an official Fiat or De Tomaso design. That’s way I called Panthera with “H”. It is my own interpretation about the well known Pantera. I´m a 3D artist and designer and I create car design to show my knowing about 3D visualization but I ever interested to sell my design. If you know persons how could be interested in production, then please forward my stuff. As you as a Pantera owner thank you very much that you like the modern style.

Best Regards

Stefan"
accobraaccobraMember
WOW ...now thats the ticket ... that car and 10 million to buy the factory ..would be a dream come true. That car is perfect in every way ...matter of fact it has sparked my creative thoughts on side scoops for 6476.

All we need now is a chicken farmer to get some investors to put a deal together .. factory, concept, and money ..what else do we need.

I dont want to put a negitive spin on this but with the BIG 3 going down the tubes .. not much profit in te USA making cars these days ..and ITALY with all of the UUUUUTTTMMM .. politics ..well its not such a great place to make cars either.

Ron
accobraaccobraMember
Funny you say that about the chinese ..there was a little piece of info on the AC Cobra forum ..which is mostly poeple from the UK because obviuosly AC was in the UK ..but they state that in the USA our cars only last 10 - 15 years now max .. its obviuos its not made with US steel. The Asian auto makers make them fast and cheap ... throw away society is what we have become. I say build a fine automobile like our brothers Ferrari and Lambo. There are people who will buy them. Another perspective ...I couldnt afford a Pantera new .. so it took me 30 years .. but I have a fine automobile that outlasted 10 - 15 years.

Ron
George PGeorge PAdmin.
Eventually Chinese companies will have to improve the quality of their products, just as the Japanese did. Entering the global auto market will be an eye opener for Chinese companies, with all the safety & environmental reglations that are necessary to comply with in order to build a car that can be sold in any market around the world.

But that time hasn't occured yet. Until then, the world community perceives something being made in China as being made cheaply. No automaker of an up-scale car like a new Pantera wants the world to perceive their car that way.

Pricing is important too. If you price a new Pantera in the same range as a Ford Focus, the public will not perceive that as a bargain, they will perceive the new Pantera the same way the perceive the Ford Focus. No one would believe a mid engine exotic that is priced no higher than a Mustang is worth a damn.

Ron, I beleive the US automakers lack decisive, visionary leadership. Chrysler was once headed down the tubes, then Iacocca took the helm and restored Chrysler to health in a remarkably short time. However, visionary leaders like to have significant control of a company, and it may be that the entrenched bureaucracies, boards of directors, and what have you may no longer be willing to give a visionary leader the kind of control that was given Iacocca when he took the helm at Chrysler. That's my advice for any corporation in financial trouble, go out and find a strong individualistic leader, but be prepared to give this visionary all the free reign and control they need to do their job.

The board of directors at Ford have been in control of the last several CEOs, all the while the corporation has been sliding downhill. Do you think this board of directors have ever taken a look at themselves and asked "what are we doing wrong"? No, they hire another CEO and box him in just like they did the last one.
cat7195cat7195Member
quote:
Originally posted by SoCal:
You could make it work in the US if it was done as a "kit" car, kind of like the Noble. Build a tube or a monocoque(sp) frame put it all together and sell it without an engine or drivetrain. Use Ford GT transaxles or even a corvette trans set-up. The manufacturer (seller) would then have a list of authorized drivetrain installers or you could do it yourself. This way you could bypass all the required DOT inspections.



Superformance in South Africa. http://www.superformance.com/
One of the SCPOCA members just got a GT40 from them. Build quality is incredible. They also build the Noble.
lf-tp2511lf-tp2511Member
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What do you guys think about the 2002 drawings and model?

I have always thought and heard that the design highlights of the Pantera was the angularity of the body. Smooth, but not rounded. There are a bunch of crisp - straight - lines throughout the body.

The factory model lost that angularity, shifting, as has Ferrari and the Dodge Viper, to a more rounded, less masculine and agressive form.

I REALLY like the newer 2007 drawings done by Stephan in Germany. He has pulled off an obviously modernized updating of the Pantera, but retained that agressive, angular flavor of our original cars.

Larry
S SEL (Guest)
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Mensen:
That 2002 Pantera I'm not really sure about. The pictures of the car that started this topic. Those get me excited!

What do you guys think about the 2002 drawings and model?


pls forgive...not wanting to be flamed...but the first thing that popped into my mind when i saw the 2002 was Nissan 350Z...
carbocarboMember
I have to agree that I prefer Stephan's model. The level of detail is incredible. He kept the beltline crease that comes off the nose, down the side of the car and blends into the rear quarter panel. He also kept the rear window tunnel clean and simple. He incorporated the two-tone paint and lettering, and he did some nice modern touches like blending the A-pillar into the roofline.
The proportions are all pleasing and look correct, and the car still has that cat's eye stare when you look at it. Very impressive.
jeff6559jeff6559Member
Stephen's model more closely catches the essence Tom T's intrepretation of a running Panther in a very modern form. In his slide show on car design, he talks about how the crouched mass of the cat in full run represents the power and speed of the cat. That same crouched mass is captured in the bulge behind the B pillar and is set off by the black louvers of the Pantera. I believe that natural representation of a cat is why the Pantera has stayed so fresh for so long.

The other design leaves me flat.

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When I first saw the factory shot of the next Pantera, I was extremely disappointed. The front end is just plain ugly. The rest of the design had very little styling from the original. I do not know who penned this design, but I doubt that it was Tom T.

It is amazing how Stephan’s design captures the essence of the original. Yet, it is still very contemporary. There is no doubt that when you look at this version it screams modern day Pantera.

The young man is talented. He apparently just needs someone to get him hooked up to a design studio.

This car needs to be built. All Pantera bias aside, it is as good as or better than any of the current offing coming out of Italy, Germany or anywhere else.
montecarlo296montecarlo296Member
Another response from Stefan on whether we can A) Build a model of his project and B) Has he got any dimensions to give us:
Quote:

Hello Phil,



thank you very much for mail and sorry for late response. I can support you with low quality views for dimensions that could be help you. It means yes, you can build up an model if you like this. There are now size available because I use not a CAD software just only a 3D presentation software. I´m only interested in cool stuff, not in 100 percent correct files. But I used the Lamborghini Gallardo as shape for the Panthera. Means I use the same size, the windshield for an example is absolutely the same form like the Gallardo glass. Maybe I could be help too, using a Gallardo as blueprint.



If I found time I will try to send you some special views…



Best
Stefan
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
Phil,

Please convey to Stefan that his is the BEST modern interpretation of a DeTomaso car I have ever seen. He has managed to capture the classic details and proportions of a Pantera with a very high level of refinement and finesse that is sorely lacking in most modern re-interpretive designs (the most recent Ford Mustang comes to mind).

If he was to apply this level of talent to a Mangusta redesign, these two cars could form a very solid base from which to resurrect the DeTomaso marque. If the right development team was at the helm (ie. visionaries not shysters) with adequate experience, resources and focus (no SUV’s or mini cars to sully the brand) there would almost certainly be good money to be made. One only has to look at the Ford GT and even the Superformance and CAV GT40 replicas that are selling VERY well.

Anyone who has ever shown their Pantera at a car show will tell you that there is still an amazing level of interest and pretty high awareness for such a low-volume marque. This car would, at the right price (just under $100k) sell very well, I’m sure.

Fantastic job Stefan!
lastpushbuttonlastpushbuttonMember
quote:
Originally posted by SoCal:
You could make it work in the US if it was done as a "kit" car, kind of like the Noble. Build a tube or a monocoque(sp) frame put it all together and sell it without an engine or drivetrain. Use Ford GT transaxles or even a corvette trans set-up. The manufacturer (seller) would then have a list of authorized drivetrain installers or you could do it yourself. This way you could bypass all the required DOT inspections.

Or

Do like the all the Cobra knock-offs, have someone build a chassis, have someone else make the body panels, etc, the car would still be a 1971 - 1974 DeTomaso Pantera with updated body panels. So essentially it would be a "replicar".

Is it possible or am I just talking out of my butt?
Hey... I love it too,, I just started scrolling down and there is so uch more than just exterior apperance..just hang 71-89 Pantera suspension under it....and leave off the air bags..abs. navigation, Onstar collision avoidance, I can open the door on my new car and drag my leg.. but I can't put in in reverse without steping on the brake.. Are we still in the bar?
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