Trying to find the relatively recent discussion about the pedal plate spacer that buys a little more leg room by moving the plate an inch or so forward?
Was a vendor mentioned?
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Wilkinson had them listed pre-made at one time from billet aluminum. Ask him. If not, shop around at the various Pantera parts vendors. Some might make them for you.
They are not rocket science to make out of aluminum plate. It is just a matter of stacking up spacers to get the pedal position where you want it.
Mine are at 1-1/2". For me that's about right. I've heard others mention as much as 2" but the caution would be that at some point there won't be enough pedal travel before they hit the floor?
Because of the possible variations/combinations possible, you are better off stacking them until you find the right combination for you. Out of the box, 1-1/2" may be too much for you.
To my knowledge, there was a Ford Service Bulletin on this subject while the cars were under Ford Warranty. If I remember correctly, the suggestion was for a 3/4" spacer.
I just got one from Kirk Evans (Amerisport), but I don’t know if he has any more made. Mine sounded like it was the last one he had in stock.
I had talked to SACC (Scott) and they had not made any in a while.
My project has been held up due to some machining delays on the pedal assembly, but the pedal spacer is installed.
Joules has a drawing uploaded here that could be used to fabricate one.
Rocky
Here’s a link to Joules drawings…
I made a 2'' one out of sheet steel, it's not very difficult.
I installed one of these not long ago. Wilkinson had one. He may have gotten it from Kirk Evans. The spacer was well made but installing it was another thing. I sold a Pantera to a tall person. After completing the transaction he asked me to install a spacer at his expense. I agreed and it took me a couple of hard working days to install it and make it nice. This was a really nice car and I had to make every detail perfect. I ended up not charging him.
If you really need the extra leg room then it makes sense to put this in. If you are on the fence and can get by with the stock pedal box then I would run as fast as you can away from this thing.
Here is a photo before the pedal box extension. Unfortunately, I do not have a post installation photo.
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Thank you.
I will advise the interested party. His pedal plate has to come out to correct a failing connection of the clutch pedal to the cross shaft and he wondered one of those "since we're at it" ideas.
I did find Joules' drawing. TY again.
@stevebuchanan posted:I installed one of these not long ago. Wilkinson had one. He may have gotten it from Kirk Evans. The spacer was well made but installing it was another thing. I sold a Pantera to a tall person. After completing the transaction he asked me to install a spacer at his expense. I agreed and it took me a couple of hard working days to install it and make it nice. This was a really nice car and I had to make every detail perfect. I ended up not charging him.
If you really need the extra leg room then it makes sense to put this in. If you are on the fence and can get by with the stock pedal box then I would run as fast as you can away from this thing.
Here is a photo before the pedal box extension. Unfortunately, I do not have a post installation photo.
I get confused. I don't know if I am a tall short person or a short tall person?
Conversely, a stupid smart one or a smart stupid one? Either way, people stare.
What you need to do is make the spacer in two pieces so you don't need to take the pedal assembly apart to get it in.
Maybe I am just an "in the middle height", in and out of sanity, obvious solution person?
Doug, making the pedal box spacer in two pieces is an excellent idea. Not only would it allow the spacer to be installed without removing the pedal assy. but for people who have their pedal assy. removed, it would make re-installation much easier. If you think installing the pedal assy. is a difficult job, I can assure you, it is much more difficult with a pedal box spacer.
@davidnunn posted:Doug, making the pedal box spacer in two pieces is an excellent idea. Not only would it allow the spacer to be installed without removing the pedal assy. but for people who have their pedal assy. removed, it would make re-installation much easier. If you think installing the pedal assy. is a difficult job, I can assure you, it is much more difficult with a pedal box spacer.
Yes. Absolutely. It has no effect on the structural integrity of the modification either.
This thing is still fresh in my mind. I am trying to envision how cutting the spacer in half would make the task easier. I had to modify the metal of Kirk's spacer in a couple of areas to get it to go into place. I also had to modify the car's sheetmetal to accept the new position of things. The gas pedal linkage to the throttle cable needed lengthening and fine tuning because the gas pedal is now 2" forward. The vacuum line for the brake booster needed a new hole drilled into the front truck sheetmetal because the booster is now 2" forward. The clutch fluid hard line needed a new hole because the clutch master was now 2" forward. Then the clutch fluid hard line was a little bit shorter due to changes in its geometry and resisted screwing back into the clutch master. I had to bleed the clutch fluid. And there was more. And I was working on a nearly perfect Pantera and scratching it up was not an option.
But yes, cutting the spacer in half will not affect its structural integrity.
Two pieces allows you to slip the spacer in.
There is a lot to move, yep. It isn't a simple Sunday afternoon project at all yet seemingly looks like a very simple, innocent procedure. The "Devil is in the details". Exactly how you accomplish that is up to you.
From a design perspective it appears that the location of the foot pedal plate was somewhat of an optional detail. Stock, it appears to me, that it was put at the shortest distance possible and I'm wondering how that location was finalized since it seems obviously located for small people?
It does seem to be consistent though with other cabin positioning details as if almost a spite thing against Ford's involvement?
The thickness of the spacer likely determines the number of modifications required to install it. My SACC spacer was 1-1/2” thick and I did not have to make as many alterations as what Steve encountered.
@davidnunn posted:The thickness of the spacer likely determines the number of modifications required to install it. My SACC spacer was 1-1/2” thick and I did not have to make as many alterations as what Steve encountered.
I had no issues with that either. It is a worthwhile caution though to expect the unexpected but nothing really new to that thought?
I am reminded of the automotive axiom of, "there is no such thing as a 'bolt on' ".
I think mine was actually 1.5 inches, not 2 inches. At the time it seemed more like 2 feet.
My car was at Wilkinson's shop for the sale and he was helping me sell it. After it was sold, Wilkinson suggested the pedal spacer to the buyer and he wanted it, and I agreed to install it since Wilkinson said it's no big deal to do so. I learned shortly afterwards that it is in fact a BIG DEAL to properly install a pedal spacer. But the buyer was happy.
A couple more Kirk Evans links (just to keep everything in one spot) ...
https://pantera.infopop.cc/topic/1598208421189690
https://pantera.infopop.cc/topic/1598208421098316
Here’s my meager efforts…