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Power window modification

panteradougpanteradougMember
OK, somehow I got seduced into replacing my power window motors. Yes, yes, everything everyone said about the stock one applies to mine.
It sounded so good, so easy, so worthwhile.
I have the Ford motors here. I have the passenger side appart.
The Pantera regulator bracket is cut for the new motor.
I have not drilled the holes for the new motor because I have discovered that the new motor gear and the window regulator gear don't fully engauge. In fact I would say that they only engauge about 20%.
Now in reviewing the two articles that I read about this from the Pantera Place, neither article mentions this.
I, don't think this is good. The teeth are going to strip out of this setup with the slightest resistance out of the ordinary.
Please, to those of you have done this mod (LPB), tell me that this is how yours is and it has not been a problem.
I don't ever want to have into these door again, and the only way I'm going to put it back the way it was is to buy another entire Pantera to get the parts.
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fordgtfordgtMember
Doug, I did the conversion about 2 years ago on one window and about 6 months later on the other. I followed the directions on Mike Daily's website to the "T" and have been extremely happy with the job. The windows go up about twice as fast as the originals. I have had no problems whatsoever with the conversion and would do it again. However I have my eye on the VADER system that is advertised in this months POCA for $750, that eliminates all of the guts and a bunch of weight from the stock configuration and permits the window to go all the way down and is supposed to not require any modifications. The downside is the cost is $750 but I figure my already converted regulators will bring in a couple hundred bucks on ebay.

This is one of the things I hope to investigate in Vegas next week.

Gary #06984
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Doug, I remember making a template out of thick paper before drilling the holes. You have to locate the motor just right. It is difficult to drill three holes and get all the bolts to go through them withou making the holes too big, but that is what you have to do. Fit twice drill once.
panteradougpanteradougMember
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Originally posted by lastpushbutton:
Doug, I remember making a template out of thick paper before drilling the holes. You have to locate the motor just right. It is difficult to drill three holes and get all the bolts to go through them withou making the holes too big, but that is what you have to do. Fit twice drill once.


I'm getting the impression that no one has had a problem with this but more importantly no one understands what I am saying.
I am saying the the height of the drive gear on the new Ford motor isn't high enough to fully engauge into the teeth on the Pantera window regulator.
The teeth are virtually tip to tip.
The gear should be at least .125" higher to engauge fully.
I suppose that I will have to be the expert on this one too. I hate when that happens.
panteradougpanteradougMember
Following their directions is what caused this. If you notice there are two articles. One using Taurus motors, the other Aerostar. I have the Taurus motors and the teeth don't fully engauge.
I've run into these situations before.
I had a HS shop student wanting to build a laser as a project.
The laser required a gem quality ruby of 6 carats or larger.
He started digging up the back yard to find one when he found out what the stone costs.
Apparently, only partial tooth engaugement is sufficient although I don't think that either one of the authors would know what that means.
Some much for pencil necks writing technical articles.
jeff6559jeff6559Member
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Following their directions is what caused this. If you notice there are two articles. One using Taurus motors, the other Aerostar.


PanteraDoug,
Sorry, didn't realize someone had added a second article with Taurus motors. The Aerostar version is the first and it works like a charm. If the Taurus conversion isn't clean, someone should alert Mike Dailey. Mike, you there?

Jeff
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panteradougpanteradougMember
I got the Taurus motors. There is an installation article about using them as well.
I have them to where there is about a 50% tooth engaugement now.
The original mock up by me had them at just tooth to tooth.
I haven't tried them. I was just frozen until I got more feedback.
I'll find out soon enough if it works.
Thanks for everyones feedback. I do appreciate it.
J JK (Guest)
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I have my eye on the VADER system that is advertised in this months POCA for $750, that eliminates all of the guts and a bunch of weight from the stock configuration and permits the window to go all the way down and is supposed to not require any modifications. The downside is the cost is $750


Ted advertised a sale on this system a few years ago for around $500. To this day I regret not purchasing it at that price.
I've heard nothing but good things about this offering except its price. Today, Ted won't budge on his price of $750.

Josh
jeff6559jeff6559Member
I can't imagine how the Vader windows would work better than the Aerostar powered windows together with the mod to make the windows go all the way down. Even if you bought remanufactured Aerostar motors, they are less than $100 each. The price differential could certainly be put to better use. How about power locks!

Jeff
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fordgtfordgtMember
I had no trouble getting the window motors except one was back ordered and took a couple weeks. They were available at a local parts house, I believe if you search this website I had posted the part numbers. Even so, you have to make sure the parts house orders the correct one, tell them to look at it before you ship it that it has the right number of mounting holes.
fordgtfordgtMember
I looked at my earlier post and here is the info


Just picked up my window motor for the passenger side. The Cardone part number is 42-376. The Cardone part number for the driver side is 42-377. Cardone is a remanufacturer of all kinds of electric auto parts. Pep Boys and Advanced Auto Parts and the others should have a Cardone parts book to order from.
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