Presidential Goose

Different AC vents

Interior door handles have no bezels

Engine Portal butchered

That's what I saw on my phone anyway...  What else am I missing aside from AC condenser, carb & intake

MH

Wasn’t that car painted orange about 3-5 years ago?

I thought that a guy refurbishing it was here on this board.

Looked like he was doing a very thorough job, IIRC (which I may not be)!

Rocky

Discussed here?

https://pantera.infopop.cc/top...88#24697472623261688

Looks like he bought TWO of them...  !!!  The orange one is 8MA*882 purchased 17, April 1969 and the blue one is 8MA*886 purchased 9, May 1969.

The differences I've spotted are:

886 has odd double turn signals on front that 882 does not have

886 has VERY old window sticker behind driver that 882 does not have (882's pictures are older)

886 has a light next to the ignition key that 882 does not have

886 has different (odd) AC vents, 882 has typical vents

AC condensers are different

886 has no armrests, 882 they are typical

886 has the combined window switches, 882 has the separate switches

886 has a different double labeled MPH&KPH speedo that 882 does not have

and of course the paperwork differs...

Wow...

MH

Gotta love the Mickey Thompson valve covers.  I guess the Pres loved that look!

I was hoping the estimate was in Pesos. I would have been all over it.

so darn interesting...my guess, a lot of things were 'lost' during the hot rodding and restoration (for example, the Speedo is probably from a Longchamp...the clock and ammeter from wherever...and those wheels, the uncanny valley...).  But most interesting to me is that these were genuinely attributed as 289 Hi-Po (305 HP...). The '305 hp' quote is oft repeated...

(wow, and adjacent motor numbers, at that...)

OMG, check that out...something I wouldn't have believed if Denis hadn't told me that it really existed, can you spot it? Hint: related to the rotated carb...

Alternator bracket?  Extra pulley?

Far right hand lower corner...around the heat wrapping--there it is, the heat riser for the choke !  Years ago when I swore that the carb was 'rotated' (180' from the way Ford installed it...) and the convincing proof was that the heat riser for the choke was on the left header---but Denis insisted that in fact, he'd seen the riser on the right header....

...and of course, I still didn't believe him...but a few weeks ago he sent me a pic. And now in this car, maybe a clue that these were in fact used for the fabled 289 Hi-po...

   And lesson learned--never doubt Denis

Summbitch...  I totally missed that.  When I switched to the big bore headers I had one made so I could keep the original headers intact

MH

...more fun on this, a smart brain with a pair of sharp eyes noticed that the block on the car was a 302 block...So anything could be true, as I see;

   - Yes, DeT really did have 3 engines--a 289, a 302, and a "302e" (Euro) are documented in the parts book. There are dozens of parts (solo 289) exceptions for the 289, including air filter, jackshaft casting, headers, the bell housing (w/o smog pump arm), etc.

  - On Provamo, my count is ~22 cars claiming to have a 289--not just early cars (508, 512, 518, 528)  but in fact all the way to the end (1200, 1212, 1292) and in between likely some mistakes (or example 8ma824 that lists their engine number as "502/059" and another car that looks like a US model (986).

One of the head scratchers has been availability of the 289, but (ignoring things like the engine numbers stamped on the Presidential motors) it seems that the 289 migrated to a 302 block in 1967 because of availability problems...Geez, the window dating on 886 (9 K) is even later than my window on 8ma1076--so lets assume that these Presidential DeT letters are invoices/orders, and the cars were built at least 6 months later...Meaning, important orders to deliver to customer ask but not especially urgent...

The claims of 305hp also started early (for example, the first reviews in ~spring 1969 in Auto Motor und Sport and shared in the French/German version of Sport Auto) both claim the 305hp is from cylinderhead changes and a Holley carb, that the ordinary 220hp version for the US was deliberate for better driveability in US traffic. Yeah, umm, this after 13,000 Hi-Po engines were put into Fords for the previous 6 years (with up to 11.6"1 compression ratio...!).

But though we probably equate 305HP with the Hi-po or the Shelby (with fabled valves at 1.84/1.54" as used on 351W...)--and this may be all wrong...Or at least, the DeT parts manual suggests that DeT themselves probably were building the "302E" and "289" engines--esp, listing the 600cfm Autolite 4100 carb and the Ford Hi-po camshaft. Yeah, strangely listing valve keepers for the 289/302e only, but quoting common pieces for all 3 engines (iron intake manifold, the valves themselves ordinary 1.78/1.45" as used on all 302...), and no callout for heads. Even, DeT only listed 2 part numbers for the whole engines (one for 289, one for the 302, so not distinguishing the 302e as a complete spare).

The Ford hi-po cam used was stout, a single-pattern,, high lift, long duration mechanical cam. The K-code engine used both stouter crankshaft journals and also screw-in studs for the adjustable mechanical lifter valve-train---but there is nothing in the DeT parts description for these pieces that I can find. Maybe DeT took their chances, if anybody has taken apart a Euro engine it would be fun to know. My guess, these look like an ordinary station wagon with 2v carb.

Btw, I was surprised a few weeks ago to see that in fact, all "manual trans" 302 engines in that time were shipped with the thermactor injectors--so another fun thing to understand were whether the 302e were built with engines intended for automatic applications, esp whether the thermactor ports were present/plugged and then the distributor would change (of course with the carb, but this was supposedly changed to 600cfm anyways...).

But for me who doubted the ubiquity of the 305hp quote for the euro cars--I think its reasonable that most the claims on having a 289 are wrong, but that DeT basically took the same route that Shelby took (headers+600fm carb with the K-code cam=305hp science that mathematically proves it ).

sold October 6 for $299k (including buyer fee...so apparently just met the reserve)