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Talk with Herrod the other Day.
They dont make superchargerkit Where the air intake is in the back.

I Think it is only Kenne Bell who make superchargerkit with air intake in the back.

Are there anybody who knows other Company there are making superchargerkit with air intake in the back.

Kjeld.



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Herrod do it as an aftermarket fitment,and also I believe look after any of the warranty issues for and on behalf of Ford Factory here in Australia, The FGX Falcon with Supercharger was a 2015 2017 Ford Factory Product.
Are there anybody here with a serius/good contact to Kenne Bell Superchargers.

Have been in contact with the Company for some time now,(around two month) trying to get a Price on a Supercharger kit for a coyote engine for my Pantera build.

Dont know if it becoures i call from Denmark they dont take it serius.

I think they are the only Company who make the
supercharger with the air intake in the back of the engine.

Kjeld.
Hi 4V.

Thanks for the link.

I check there homepage and cant find any where the air intake is right in the back.
I think it is like almost all other brand off superchargers for the Coyote engine the air are comming in on left/back side (looking from the driver seate) on the supercharger and then conected to a air filter in front.

What i am looking after is a supercharger where the air goes straight in from the back of the engine.

Kenne Bell make them, but not in the 2,8l version only in the bigger version.
The bigger version are to big for a standard engine.

Kjeld.


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Originally posted by Kjeld Pedersen:

Are there anybody who knows other Company there are making superchargerkit with air intake in the back.


http://www.vmpperformance.com/
you may need to fabricate the exact rear entry plenum you want, would the huge Big Gun casting work with a cover plate over the opening to use a smaller throttle body?

Whipple has this kit, i don't find the entry plenum available separately nor do i know what the bolt spacing is to fit another housing
https://whipplesuperchargers.c....view&product_id=370

i'd call & talk to them about a front drive / rear entry set-up, they might be able to put together exactly what you want? maybe something like this https://whipplesuperchargers.c...s.view&product_id=27
I don't know if a rear intake port is made by anyone.

You are involving the rear bearing mains for the blower rotors.

I can conceive of a GMC blower with top access and a TFS side mounted throttle body. It might be easier to consider that type of modification and just blocking the front intake?

Then you are going to run into a height limitation with the Pantera and complete blocking of the rear view.

This all depends on how involved you want to get?

The Pantera is more difficult to re-engineer than many.

It's amazing how versatile the car can be but some of the possibilities available now were never conceived of then?
Hi 4V.

Just talk with Whipplesuperchargers.
Send them some Pictures of the "beast"

just have to waith and see what they are comming up with.



QUOTE]Originally posted by 4V & Proud:
you may need to fabricate the exact rear entry plenum you want, would the huge Big Gun casting work with a cover plate over the opening to use a smaller throttle body?

Whipple has this kit, i don't find the entry plenum available separately nor do i know what the bolt spacing is to fit another housing
https://whipplesuperchargers.c....view&product_id=370

i'd call & talk to them about a front drive / rear entry set-up, they might be able to put together exactly what you want? maybe something like this https://whipplesuperchargers.c...s.view&product_id=27[/QUOTE]

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Originally posted by Kjeld Pedersen:
Hi 4V.

Just talk with Whipplesuperchargers.
Send them some Pictures of the "beast"

just have to waith and see what they are comming up with.



QUOTE]Originally posted by 4V & Proud:
you may need to fabricate the exact rear entry plenum you want, would the huge Big Gun casting work with a cover plate over the opening to use a smaller throttle body?

Whipple has this kit, i don't find the entry plenum available separately nor do i know what the bolt spacing is to fit another housing
https://whipplesuperchargers.c....view&product_id=370

i'd call & talk to them about a front drive / rear entry set-up, they might be able to put together exactly what you want? maybe something like this https://whipplesuperchargers.c...s.view&product_id=27
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Originally posted by Kjeld Pedersen:
Hi 4V.

Just talk with Whipplesuperchargers.
Send them some Pictures of the "beast"

just have to waith and see what they are comming up with.



QUOTE]Originally posted by 4V & Proud:
you may need to fabricate the exact rear entry plenum you want, would the huge Big Gun casting work with a cover plate over the opening to use a smaller throttle body?

Whipple has this kit, i don't find the entry plenum available separately nor do i know what the bolt spacing is to fit another housing
https://whipplesuperchargers.c....view&product_id=370

i'd call & talk to them about a front drive / rear entry set-up, they might be able to put together exactly what you want? maybe something like this https://whipplesuperchargers.c...s.view&product_id=27
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Hi Doug.

Yes Kenne Bell are making the rear intake in there bigger version of superchargers but not the smaler ones (2,8l)
Mabye i have to bay a standard Kenne Bell 2,8lkit for a 2016 mustang and get someone to make a new rear air intake.

Kjeld

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
I don't know if a rear intake port is made by anyone.

You are involving the rear bearing mains for the blower rotors.

I can conceive of a GMC blower with top access and a TFS side mounted throttle body. It might be easier to consider that type of modification and just blocking the front intake?

Then you are going to run into a height limitation with the Pantera and complete blocking of the rear view.

This all depends on how involved you want to get?

The Pantera is more difficult to re-engineer than many.

It's amazing how versatile the car can be but some of the possibilities available now were never conceived of then?
Kjeld,
This supercharger design was a one-off and not completed because the customer lost interest and sold the Pantera in pieces and the supercharger pieces.

It had a computer that controlled a 2 liter throttle body used as a by-pass through the inter-cooler to regulate pressure. The maximum pressure could be pre-set from a panel on the dash, this allowed more supercharger over-drive for quicker response and higher pressures. A front mounted radiator for the inter-cooler that had 2 cores and the supercharger computer controlled the circulator pump.
This was a complex engineering project and required all of our resources. I was concerned about not being able to support the Pantera community with our products.
I am glad it was terminated early I would rather support the Pantera owners.
Regards, Jon
Whipple Superchargers made the 2005 - 2006 FORD GT SC SYSTEM. It probably won't be long until they have one for the Cayote in that configuration if there is call for it. It looks like they do have a kit for the Cayote. You may have to talk them into milling a rear intake nose a la Ford 2005-2006 GT40 style.

Good Luck

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Hi LIV1S.
Talk with Michael at Whipple Superchargers yesterday.
They dont have any for the Coyote with rear intake and they are not interested in making one.
But thanks for your advise.

Also talk with Kenne Bell yesterday.
I think i will use the one they are making for the Coyote, just have to make a new rear intake so it will fit in a Pantera.

I am going to Los Angeles in the end of February for the LA Classic Show. (POCA has a stand there)
Go and visit Kenne Bell at the same time to pick up the supercharger.

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Originally posted by LIV1S:
Whipple Superchargers made the 2005 - 2006 FORD GT SC SYSTEM. It probably won't be long until they have one for the Cayote in that configuration if there is call for it. It looks like they do have a kit for the Cayote. You may have to talk them into milling a rear intake nose a la Ford 2005-2006 GT40 style.

Good Luck
Hi Kjeld,

Running with a front air intake isn't a show stopper. You just won't be able to have a flat firewall.

My installation has the throttle body moved to the lower left side of the engine. This saved me a couple of engines at the front of the engine. My install is a front intake with a front drive and it all fits with a remote throttle body and a small engine hatch bump.

Take care, Scott

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I long ago thought that the ideal place to add things like a roll cage, or even just a roll bar to a car would have been in the structure of a car, not an added after thought?

You are at a place with your Pantera where it is possible to do this now before you put the sheet metal skin back on.

Now you have the possibility of adding that structural reinforcement without it being intrusive into the cabin.

Granted there are going to be those people who find all that tubing desirable and an "industrial design/art statement", but here is your opportunity. Big Grin

Also, even with a rear entry to the intake manifold, you still may not have enough room UNDER the rear deck lid?

How "worth it" is all of this re-engineering going to be? When it's done, is it still a "Pantera" or something else that just looks like a Pantera like some kind of a "NHRA Funny Car" with a plastic body that just lifts off?
Hi doug.

I have made lot of the structure in the car in 1,5mm and 2,0mm steel. The Inner rockerpanel and the mettel rockerpanel is made in 1,5mm steel the A and B pillar are also made in 1,5mm trying to make the car stronger.
The structure around the front windscream/Roof and Door frame Will be made in 2 x 1,5mm steel plate.

If it is a pantera or a " kitcar" When it is finish ? I dont know, and i dont Care.

I dont have any intension to make it look like a Ferrari Lamborghini or any other existing exotic supercar.

It is my Dream of a new version of a Pantera and no plastic all steel.

I am trying to keep the design in the "retro look"

Just like on the new Mustang,camaro and Challenger.

Kjeld.



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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
I long ago thought that the ideal place to add things like a roll cage, or even just a roll bar to a car would have been in the structure of a car, not an added after thought?

You are at a place with your Pantera where it is possible to do this now before you put the sheet metal skin back on.

Now you have the possibility of adding that structural reinforcement without it being intrusive into the cabin.

Granted there are going to be those people who find all that tubing desirable and an "industrial design/art statement", but here is your opportunity. Big Grin

Also, even with a rear entry to the intake manifold, you still may not have enough room UNDER the rear deck lid?

How "worth it" is all of this re-engineering going to be? When it's done, is it still a "Pantera" or something else that just looks like a Pantera like some kind of a "NHRA Funny Car" with a plastic body that just lifts off?
Hi Garth.

Yes it is.



I talk with Stefan regarding his design from 2007, and he aloud me to use it for my project.

It will not be exatly like this.
I it is over my budget to fabricate new headlight rearlight and so on, so i am trying to find/use already existing lights from other car.

Kjeld.

if
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It is my Dream of a new version of a Pantera and no plastic all steel.

I am trying to keep the design in the "retro look"

Sounds great Kjeld. Do you have any pics of sketches of the look you're trying to achieve? Will it be anything like Stefan Schulze's concept?







This is a complimentary evolutionary design of the car.

It would be nice to be able to buy the new sheet metal for it?

I can think of more than one car that is so wrecked it would be truly a rebirth to go this way with it?

It would be interesting to see if there is an engine that currently exists that is compact enough to fit within the new confines?

These are pictures of one of the stages of the AMX design concept.

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I talk with Stefan regarding his design from 2007, and he aloud me to use it for my project.

It will not be exatly like this.
I it is over my budget to fabricate new headlight rearlight and so on, so i am trying to find/use already existing lights from other car.

Excellent! I look forward to seeing the finished product.
Here's an engine bay shot of a Pantera at this year's Fun Rally. Not a Cayote motor but it shows a design for the inlet to convert the Kenne Bell supercharger. Nowadays, there are CNC Fab shops that can 3D scan an existing piece and modify in the computer for your application then cut on a CNC Mill.

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Hi LIV1S.

yes this is what i am looking for Thanks.

I have to see if i can find a maschineshop here in Denmark who can make this type of job.

I order the blower kit for my Coyote from Kenny Bell.
I am going to pick it up, at the same time i am going to see the Classic auto show in LA Convention Center March 2-4,2018

Kjeld.



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Originally posted by LIV1S:
Here's an engine bay shot of a Pantera at this year's Fun Rally. Not a Cayote motor but it shows a design for the inlet to convert the Kenne Bell supercharger. Nowadays, there are CNC Fab shops that can and 3D scan an existing piece and modify in the computer for your application then cut on a CNC Mill.

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