If I switched to a SVO 9.2" block and wanted to use my current heads and "FunnelWeb" intake,Where would I mount the thermostat?The intake has no provisions for it and neither does the block.
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It depends upon which heads you have. If you really want to run a funnel web, you only have one choice. Drill holes in the front of the water jacket of your cylinder heads, install fittings, and route to a custom fabbed and remotely located tstat housing. This is SOP with the circle track guys (without the tstat anyway).
If you have high port SVO heads, FMS did make an air gap intake with an integral water neck (M-9424-D351 for 9.2" deck, M-9424-C351 for 9.5").
If you have iron Cleveland heads, the only 9" deck intakes, with water necks, for Cleveland heads that I'm aware of are the old B&A Ford Track Boss (single plane) and Street Boss (dual plane). These are actually for 2V heads on a 9.5" deck but could easily be decked for 9.2" and I suppose ported for 4V heads. This was and (and to a lesser extent still is) a popular set up for weekend dirt trackers on plane Jane 9.5" deck Windsor blocks.
I don't beleive any of these intakes are still available (Although I hear Bush Performance has the tooling and will sell new Track Bosses for $550), but they occassionally show up on e-bay from time to time.
I own and have pictures of these if your interested in seeing what they look like. Be advised, in order to make the turn at the fire wall, you'll need to fab a custom tstat cover and tube assembly if you end up running an intake with a water neck on your P-car. You can view the approach I took at Dailey's site (www.panteraplace.com), under my name, in the cars under construction section. Good luck.
Kelly Coffield
If you have high port SVO heads, FMS did make an air gap intake with an integral water neck (M-9424-D351 for 9.2" deck, M-9424-C351 for 9.5").
If you have iron Cleveland heads, the only 9" deck intakes, with water necks, for Cleveland heads that I'm aware of are the old B&A Ford Track Boss (single plane) and Street Boss (dual plane). These are actually for 2V heads on a 9.5" deck but could easily be decked for 9.2" and I suppose ported for 4V heads. This was and (and to a lesser extent still is) a popular set up for weekend dirt trackers on plane Jane 9.5" deck Windsor blocks.
I don't beleive any of these intakes are still available (Although I hear Bush Performance has the tooling and will sell new Track Bosses for $550), but they occassionally show up on e-bay from time to time.
I own and have pictures of these if your interested in seeing what they look like. Be advised, in order to make the turn at the fire wall, you'll need to fab a custom tstat cover and tube assembly if you end up running an intake with a water neck on your P-car. You can view the approach I took at Dailey's site (www.panteraplace.com), under my name, in the cars under construction section. Good luck.
Kelly Coffield
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Originally posted by kcoffield:
It depends upon which heads you have. If you really want to run a funnel web, you only have one choice. Drill holes in the front of the water jacket of your cylinder heads, install fittings, and route to a custom fabbed and remotely located tstat housing. This is SOP with the circle track guys (without the tstat anyway).
Kelly Coffield
Can I do this with the 3V aluminum heads that PI is selling? I am currently running a old set of "high port" iron 4V heads(Bud Moore)and the Funnel Web intake.I am happy with the power(340 rwhp on Dynojet)but they leak oil from somewhere and I can't seem to make it stop.I had to have studs made up for them and I think it will be a bitch to remove them to fix the leak.I wanted to replace them with a set of the aluminum 3V heads if I could.I will be ,some day down the road,changing to a SVO block and didn't want to spend the money on the 3V's if I won't be able to use them on the new motor.
Thanks for your time,
Ron
[This message has been edited by r mccall (edited 12-28-2002).]
[This message has been edited by r mccall (edited 12-28-2002).]
351-Cs run a dry intake & have the thermostat housing integral to the block while 289-302s run a wet intake & have their housing in the intake. The parts can be interchange but to run one type on another takes some machining. Depending on how your aftermarket intake is configured, you may be able to use SVO's external water kit (M-8592-A351) which is a cast-aluminum assembly that bolts onto SVO heads and has its own thermostat housing, using std thermostats. Or, kit M-8594-A351 has fittings and hoses to do an external hookup from the front of the heads. Your proposed combination of parts may not be the cheapest way to go unless you can do the machining yourself.
> If I switched to a SVO 9.2" block and wanted to use my current heads
> and "FunnelWeb" intake, where would I mount the thermostat? The intake
> has no provisions for it and neither does the block.
Another point to be aware of is the 9.2" deck SVO block has end seal
rails of a Windsor while the Funnelweb that you currently have has end
seal rails for a Cleveland. If you look at the following link, you'll
see the difference:
http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/Dans%20intake%20a%202.jpg
That intake (a Motorsport C351) has rails for either block. The one
that bends inward matches Cleveland blocks, the one that bends outward
matches Windsor or SVO (and presumably Dart) blocks.
Bolting the Funnelweb to the SVO block will leave a big open gap at the
rear of the block. The last time I spoke with Terry Parker, he mentioned
he was looking into casting a 9.5" deck version of the Funnelweb. If so,
it would have the proper end seal rail and could be milled and drilled
to fit the 9.2" SVO blocks. I don't know if he intends to use a cast-in
thermostat housing or have the users run an external thermostat, though.
However, in addition to the intakes Kelly mentioned, there is an intake
still in production that has the right deck height and end seal
configuration, the Edelbrock Victor AH-II. That intake is specifically
designed to use C302B heads on a 9.2" deck height SVO block. See one
at:
http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/EB%20Manifold%20w%20water.jpg
While the ports will be smaller than 4V head ports, that is no different
than the Parker Funnelweb you have. If you have Terry's port stuffers
you'll need to do some port matching, though. Be aware that Edelbrock
manufactures this intake on an infrequent basis to support racer demand
and registered race teams may get first pick. The last price I saw was
$311.
Dan Jones
> and "FunnelWeb" intake, where would I mount the thermostat? The intake
> has no provisions for it and neither does the block.
Another point to be aware of is the 9.2" deck SVO block has end seal
rails of a Windsor while the Funnelweb that you currently have has end
seal rails for a Cleveland. If you look at the following link, you'll
see the difference:
http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/Dans%20intake%20a%202.jpg
That intake (a Motorsport C351) has rails for either block. The one
that bends inward matches Cleveland blocks, the one that bends outward
matches Windsor or SVO (and presumably Dart) blocks.
Bolting the Funnelweb to the SVO block will leave a big open gap at the
rear of the block. The last time I spoke with Terry Parker, he mentioned
he was looking into casting a 9.5" deck version of the Funnelweb. If so,
it would have the proper end seal rail and could be milled and drilled
to fit the 9.2" SVO blocks. I don't know if he intends to use a cast-in
thermostat housing or have the users run an external thermostat, though.
However, in addition to the intakes Kelly mentioned, there is an intake
still in production that has the right deck height and end seal
configuration, the Edelbrock Victor AH-II. That intake is specifically
designed to use C302B heads on a 9.2" deck height SVO block. See one
at:
http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/EB%20Manifold%20w%20water.jpg
While the ports will be smaller than 4V head ports, that is no different
than the Parker Funnelweb you have. If you have Terry's port stuffers
you'll need to do some port matching, though. Be aware that Edelbrock
manufactures this intake on an infrequent basis to support racer demand
and registered race teams may get first pick. The last price I saw was
$311.
Dan Jones
Thanks Dan.The knowlage you posess is astonishing!
Ron
Ron