George,Your motor description is what I had in mind also. I should be able to make a commitment this week.If the group order time window can be extended to the Las Vegas Rally,I would think we could get ten or fifteen buyers in the deal. We could post those pictures on the bullitan board by the hospitality suite and talk up both the manifold and the new cleveland blocks in our bench racing sessions and the tech session.- Jim Coyne
Please count me in if you would on the 351C IDF intake manifold buy, and please don't hold it against me if the application is IM Italia rather than Pantera.
Would it be possible to order the full setup (manifold,carbs,Linkage)as a package and if so would anyone else want to do the same?
Thanks to all involved for your help!
Ed
Would it be possible to order the full setup (manifold,carbs,Linkage)as a package and if so would anyone else want to do the same?
Thanks to all involved for your help!
Ed
Ed,
I don't think the guy that is casting the manifolds is a carb supplier to obtain the whole package, but George can clarify. Shipping all that from Australia may prove expensive too.
If George has already placed the order, I have a spare on my order you can have at cost. I just got a deral on a set of 48 IDA's and manifold for my '74.
You have a good thought on ordering together, on of the 6 of us who are getting the manifolds should contact one of the Weber suppliers and see if we can get a group deal, after all if everyone nedds carbs it's 24 they'll be selling at around $400 a pop, plus the linkages, fuel lines etc. Question is how many need carbs and would particpate in a group buy?
I'm certainly not going to hold anything against you I love the Intermeccanica Italia, another great Italian styling with simplicity of mechanicals and in a convertible too. Please post a photo
Julian
I don't think the guy that is casting the manifolds is a carb supplier to obtain the whole package, but George can clarify. Shipping all that from Australia may prove expensive too.
If George has already placed the order, I have a spare on my order you can have at cost. I just got a deral on a set of 48 IDA's and manifold for my '74.
You have a good thought on ordering together, on of the 6 of us who are getting the manifolds should contact one of the Weber suppliers and see if we can get a group deal, after all if everyone nedds carbs it's 24 they'll be selling at around $400 a pop, plus the linkages, fuel lines etc. Question is how many need carbs and would particpate in a group buy?
I'm certainly not going to hold anything against you I love the Intermeccanica Italia, another great Italian styling with simplicity of mechanicals and in a convertible too. Please post a photo
Julian
OK,
so far we have: Jake, Ian, Julian, Marcus, Ed and me (cowboy from hell).
That's six orders, so Julian, there's no need for you to purchase two if you have no need.
Jim Coyne is still a possible buyer, he hasn't written yea or nay.
I haven't placed the order yet, I won't do that without 100% money in the bank guys!
I have no idea if Aussie Speed can supply the carbs, I never asked. I had no plans to acquire them right away, however when I do acquire them I plan to acquire mine domestically. I have not definitly decided to run the Webers on my new motor, I just want the manifold on hand so I have the option IF that's the course I decide to pursue. Right now I'm leaning towards FI employing a modified Trick Flow FI manifold and CHI 2V heads. I have a collection of manifolds in the Pantera shrine (i.e. garage), one more won't hurt a thing. It never hurts to have options.
Finally, an Italia owner is more than welcome here Ed. All of these Italian mistresses are sisters, especiallly one with a Clevo under the bonnet. You'll find a lot of Ford Blue blood runs in the veins of most Pantera owners.
cowboy from hell
so far we have: Jake, Ian, Julian, Marcus, Ed and me (cowboy from hell).
That's six orders, so Julian, there's no need for you to purchase two if you have no need.
Jim Coyne is still a possible buyer, he hasn't written yea or nay.
I haven't placed the order yet, I won't do that without 100% money in the bank guys!
I have no idea if Aussie Speed can supply the carbs, I never asked. I had no plans to acquire them right away, however when I do acquire them I plan to acquire mine domestically. I have not definitly decided to run the Webers on my new motor, I just want the manifold on hand so I have the option IF that's the course I decide to pursue. Right now I'm leaning towards FI employing a modified Trick Flow FI manifold and CHI 2V heads. I have a collection of manifolds in the Pantera shrine (i.e. garage), one more won't hurt a thing. It never hurts to have options.
Finally, an Italia owner is more than welcome here Ed. All of these Italian mistresses are sisters, especiallly one with a Clevo under the bonnet. You'll find a lot of Ford Blue blood runs in the veins of most Pantera owners.
cowboy from hell
quote:I haven't placed the order yet, I won't do that without 100% money in the bank guys!
George,
So how do you want to handle it, us post you a check or call with credit card? How much do you need, full cost with expected shipping or just manifold cost for now?
Julian
Guys,
I found a place that is selling complete dual 48 IDF kits for VW's for $750. That includes 2 48 IDF carbs, manifolds, linkages, horns, filter assemblies, gaskets......
I emailed them to see if they would be willing to sell the carbs and filters only, but havent heard back yet. If they will do this, is anyone else interested? If so let me know and I will try to arrange a group buy for those too.
I was going to wait on the carbs for a while, but if I can get a good deal, I'll snatch them up now. If they can't sell carbs only, I may just buy two kits and sell the leftover parts on ebay. I would think that I could get at least $100 for the leftovers. That would bring my total price down to $1400 or $350/carb including filters. Not bad!
Anyway who's in for a potential weber group buy
Ian
I found a place that is selling complete dual 48 IDF kits for VW's for $750. That includes 2 48 IDF carbs, manifolds, linkages, horns, filter assemblies, gaskets......
I emailed them to see if they would be willing to sell the carbs and filters only, but havent heard back yet. If they will do this, is anyone else interested? If so let me know and I will try to arrange a group buy for those too.
I was going to wait on the carbs for a while, but if I can get a good deal, I'll snatch them up now. If they can't sell carbs only, I may just buy two kits and sell the leftover parts on ebay. I would think that I could get at least $100 for the leftovers. That would bring my total price down to $1400 or $350/carb including filters. Not bad!
Anyway who's in for a potential weber group buy
Ian
I was going to wait, too, but $350/carb for brand-new carbs sounds really attractive. The best price I got so far (for just a carb alone) was about US$410.
I'm interested.
So, that just leaves the linkage, and the power brake vacuum takeoff.
I'm interested.
So, that just leaves the linkage, and the power brake vacuum takeoff.
quote:Originally posted by detroitmaso:
Guys,
I found a place that is selling complete dual 48 IDF kits for VW's for $750. That includes 2 48 IDF carbs, manifolds, linkages, horns, filter assemblies, gaskets......
I emailed them to see if they would be willing to sell the carbs and filters only, but havent heard back yet. If they will do this, is anyone else interested? If so let me know and I will try to arrange a group buy for those too.
I was going to wait on the carbs for a while, but if I can get a good deal, I'll snatch them up now. If they can't sell carbs only, I may just buy two kits and sell the leftover parts on ebay. I would think that I could get at least $100 for the leftovers. That would bring my total price down to $1400 or $350/carb including filters. Not bad!
Anyway who's in for a potential weber group buy
Ian
Thanks for your hospitality in welcoming an Italia owner to the fold. I'll try to submit a picture in a month or so when there are a few more pieces hanging together.
I'm pretty fired up about the manifold buy. Getting the tractability that IDF's would seem to promise and a fit under the low hoodline of my car makes the expense of Weber's worth it.
Please count me in and committed to appropriate check or credit card payment when needed.
I was considering asking to get my manifold shipped direct to someplace like Pierce Manifolds (CA) to install carbs,linkage and set them up. They did a great job on a set of DCOE's that needed rebuilding, and helped me get them dialed in for the altitude ( I live @ 6000 feet above sea level). I'm guessing my car may still need shorter-than-standard velocity stacks as well.
I have not yet requested a quote from them, but I could and let you all know. They probably won't be the cheapest, but have offered me very good workmanship and tech support in the past.
Appreciate your help!
Ed
I'm pretty fired up about the manifold buy. Getting the tractability that IDF's would seem to promise and a fit under the low hoodline of my car makes the expense of Weber's worth it.
Please count me in and committed to appropriate check or credit card payment when needed.
I was considering asking to get my manifold shipped direct to someplace like Pierce Manifolds (CA) to install carbs,linkage and set them up. They did a great job on a set of DCOE's that needed rebuilding, and helped me get them dialed in for the altitude ( I live @ 6000 feet above sea level). I'm guessing my car may still need shorter-than-standard velocity stacks as well.
I have not yet requested a quote from them, but I could and let you all know. They probably won't be the cheapest, but have offered me very good workmanship and tech support in the past.
Appreciate your help!
Ed
Ok, here's the scoop. I can get 48 IDFs with short stacks for $325 each based on a group buy of at least 10 carbs, otherwise the would be $350 each. Filter assemblies are $16 per carb. So who is interested?
Ian
Ian
I forgot to mention that this VW place is in Torrance, CA. Does anyone involved with this live near there and maybe would be willing to run down there and pick up a bunch of carbs.......and ship them out to everyone all over the country
I know I am asking a lot!
I've only talked to them by email and phone, so I'd feel a lot safer if someone could physically pay for and pick them up.
George, Isn't Ventura somewhat close by to Torrance (hint,hint).
Ian
I know I am asking a lot!I've only talked to them by email and phone, so I'd feel a lot safer if someone could physically pay for and pick them up.
George, Isn't Ventura somewhat close by to Torrance (hint,hint).
Ian
Weber carbs set up for a VW will not be remotely close to being set up properly for the Clevo. It would be finacially wiser to purchase them from somebody who can at least "ball-park" them for the Clevo, such as the business mentioned by Ed, the Italia guy.
Hey Ed, that's not Lyle Wagonner's Italia is it?
LOL ..........
Hey Ed, that's not Lyle Wagonner's Italia is it?
LOL ..........
In this thread we have pictures of IDFs on Panteras.
Does anyone know what the jettings on those engines are? With this information, we could specify reasonably appropriate jets, air correctors and emulsion tubes from any vendor (assuming those engines are well-tuned, and reasonably similar to our own.)
Does anyone know what the jettings on those engines are? With this information, we could specify reasonably appropriate jets, air correctors and emulsion tubes from any vendor (assuming those engines are well-tuned, and reasonably similar to our own.)
I think it is safe to assume that the jetting is going to be very similar to an IDA on a Cleveland.
These are stock 48 IDF's. They have not been set up for a VW engine. And they are $325 a piece if we buy 10 or more.
Hello all..
How close do you all feel we're ready to getting an order headed our way?
I talked to Pierce Manifold today, and it will cost $2800 to get their best treatment: inspect the Aussie manifold before starting,then set up 4 IDFs per our specific needs, assemble with a good quality linkage and fuel line kit, and in my case four stubby air filters,assemble the lot, ship it and offer guidance and tech support. Less for a group buy.
This is NOT CHEAP and some of the more technically minded of you would probably do better with a more piecemeal approach.
Most of all I do not want to cause any division or delay in executing our excellent little plan to get those manifolds on order.
I'll be glad to be the first to put his money down if that would help.
By the way, a couple of questions:
1)Is there a place on these manifolds to plumb a brake vacuum line?
2)When can we get our hands on 'em?
Thanks you all,
Ed
How close do you all feel we're ready to getting an order headed our way?
I talked to Pierce Manifold today, and it will cost $2800 to get their best treatment: inspect the Aussie manifold before starting,then set up 4 IDFs per our specific needs, assemble with a good quality linkage and fuel line kit, and in my case four stubby air filters,assemble the lot, ship it and offer guidance and tech support. Less for a group buy.
This is NOT CHEAP and some of the more technically minded of you would probably do better with a more piecemeal approach.
Most of all I do not want to cause any division or delay in executing our excellent little plan to get those manifolds on order.
I'll be glad to be the first to put his money down if that would help.
By the way, a couple of questions:
1)Is there a place on these manifolds to plumb a brake vacuum line?
2)When can we get our hands on 'em?
Thanks you all,
Ed
quote:1)Is there a place on these manifolds to plumb a brake vacuum line?
No, you must manufacture one using 1/8" tubing and a small multi-port manifold. The assembly can be hidden below the intake manifold for a clean stealth look.
quote:2)When can we get our hands on 'em?
I do not expect to hear from Mark of Aussie Speed until after April 15. At that point he will still have to cast & machine the manifolds.
cowboy from hell
Thanks for the answers George and for your work
on this deal.
By the way, I don't have Mr. Waggoner's car but I know I've seen pictures of that one. Like an idiot I started with a basket case almost two years ago.
It's starting to look like a car though!
Ed
on this deal.
By the way, I don't have Mr. Waggoner's car but I know I've seen pictures of that one. Like an idiot I started with a basket case almost two years ago.
It's starting to look like a car though!
Ed
quote:Originally posted by italia11:
I talked to Pierce Manifold today, and it will cost $2800 to get their best treatment: inspect the Aussie manifold before starting,then set up 4 IDFs per our specific needs, assemble with a good quality linkage and fuel line kit, and in my case four stubby air filters,assemble the lot, ship it and offer guidance and tech support. Less for a group buy.
For $2800 they supply the Webers in that package, right?
Best price we have seen on bare carbs is $1300 + shipping, so for another $1500 you can just bolt everything on when it arrives. That's not unreasonable.
Ed, can Pierce add the mini-manifold for the vacuum take-off for a reasonable price, too?
Picture: this thread (bottom of page 1).
Hello Marcus,
Yeah, the carbs would be included, as well as an individualized consultation for the application.... maximum height, street or track,cam grind,exhaust, high end power vs. good manners, velocity stacks or air cleaners. A big deal for me is adjustment for the altitude I'm at.
I didn't talk to them about constructing an intake vacuum plenum but plan to today.
My understanding from them was that the cost could vary a little with the individual setup.
As you know, there are many variables...main and idle jets, venturis,emulsion tubes, air collectors, that all interact in a complex way, and will each cost us $100-$200 to change out on our own. I've still got $250 worth of main and idle jets in a baggie from my last project.
There's also the issue of origin of the Webers...Spanish or Chinese?
Just like you, I don't want to throw any extra money at the problem. The way things are going on my project,It's all going to get thrown somewhere.
But I figure it's worth $500-$800 to me to get the system somewhere near right when it hits my door.
Let's keep working together to find the right combination of cost and service. I agree $2800 sounds like too much, but just speaking for me, I'd like to work through somebody that can do more than just sell the parts. Maybe there's someone out there that can do both.
Just out of curiosity...how do you plan to set your Cleveland up? I'm getting ready to buy ignition parts and am bewildered at the choices.
My engine (depending on the Webers!)is going to be on the soft side...310-330hp I'd guess, mild street cam, 4V iron heads, period Ford "factory headers"...
Thanks, Ed
Yeah, the carbs would be included, as well as an individualized consultation for the application.... maximum height, street or track,cam grind,exhaust, high end power vs. good manners, velocity stacks or air cleaners. A big deal for me is adjustment for the altitude I'm at.
I didn't talk to them about constructing an intake vacuum plenum but plan to today.
My understanding from them was that the cost could vary a little with the individual setup.
As you know, there are many variables...main and idle jets, venturis,emulsion tubes, air collectors, that all interact in a complex way, and will each cost us $100-$200 to change out on our own. I've still got $250 worth of main and idle jets in a baggie from my last project.
There's also the issue of origin of the Webers...Spanish or Chinese?
Just like you, I don't want to throw any extra money at the problem. The way things are going on my project,It's all going to get thrown somewhere.
But I figure it's worth $500-$800 to me to get the system somewhere near right when it hits my door.
Let's keep working together to find the right combination of cost and service. I agree $2800 sounds like too much, but just speaking for me, I'd like to work through somebody that can do more than just sell the parts. Maybe there's someone out there that can do both.
Just out of curiosity...how do you plan to set your Cleveland up? I'm getting ready to buy ignition parts and am bewildered at the choices.
My engine (depending on the Webers!)is going to be on the soft side...310-330hp I'd guess, mild street cam, 4V iron heads, period Ford "factory headers"...
Thanks, Ed
Message to George:
I just wanted you to know that I found a picture of Lyle Waggoner's Italia on the net.
NO, my Italia does not have FENDER SKIRTS!
But I'm still looking for them.
Ed
I just wanted you to know that I found a picture of Lyle Waggoner's Italia on the net.
NO, my Italia does not have FENDER SKIRTS!
But I'm still looking for them.
Ed