Where the Hall Ultra Pantera GT5S Owners?

Extremely beautiful car!! I am always amazed at how little documentation and information is around for the various Pantera creations made by Hull. I would love to see some more cars. Is it possible (likely not for the 5S's) that some owners don't know they have a Hall Pantera and think their car was just modified by a previous owner?

Jan,

I find it hard to believe that Hall built 18 of the 5S variant, perhaps 18 Ultra Pantera's total?

There's a GT5 in Hawaii, the targa purple people eater, a few Group 4's, one being Rapid's old car.

Perhaps Bev or Tara Hall would be able to verify numbers and types?

Julian

No disparagement meant or intended, but I thought "Rapid" was a Hall Super Pantera?

Are their two types (Super & Ultra)?

OBTW: Does anyone have an assessment of the 5S recent sales on 5S "clones"? I looked at one in Reno at PPC back in 2012 (a yellow car). Just curious - It seemed to be reasonably well done, but I was pretty new to the Pantera world at that time, and I really didn't know what I was looking at.

I stand corrected, it does appear the 'Ultra' package is a 5S conversion, thanks for the flyer Rocky.

That yellow 5S conversion needed some additional work and took a long time to sell. If you look at the 5S steel fenders the vendors are offering they are formed out of multiple pieces welded together. The factory 5S fenders are steel stamped, I have set in my garage!

There is/will be a market for 5S conversions and I suspect the price will increase at some % of real ones, where that lies I'm not sure but I can't see it being any higher than good original regular Panteras. Most of the folks buying these cars at auction are collectors looking for an investment and originality is king.

Julian

Yes, the Super Panteras were about 28 or so built, and he stopped building those in 1992, then later on he started on a limited number of the Ultra 5S (18 total). Long before he passed we chatted about it quite a bit in his shop. Or I should say Gary chatted about it and I listened (he could talk endlessly about his cars). So I just wonder where these 18 cars are now. Well, I know where two are, so that leaves 16 somewhere. As noted in the post above, they pretty much had signature parts, but he also varied slightly too if certain customers wanted to add more. For instance, he fuel injected mine as opposed to carb.

I prefer them a bit more than stock 5S as they are just a different breed altogether. I like well built custom cars, so this fits right for me. I think the real 5S are like you say, bought more for collector aspects, whereas the Ultra Hall 5S adds a bit more exotic oomph in appearance and power. For instance, no need to have it smogged, at least not in CA anyway. So it is easy to have the radical HP Fontana aluminum engine and just pay annual registration.

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Originally posted by Joules:
If you look at the 5S steel fenders the vendors are offering they are formed out of multiple pieces welded together. The factory 5S fenders are steel stamped, I have set in my garage!



Julian

Julian you are for sure that the stamped fenders also not are welded togheter by the factory?
when you unpaint a GT5-S fender you see a sign of the welding.
not onuseually for fenders whit those curve's
Simon

Im wondering if there is a way to find out if my car (3995) would be considered a "Hall Super Pantera".
It started life as a yellow L-bodied car, but somewhere in the early 80's went to 'Hall Pantera'and emerged with the GT5 body, dropped floor pans, new dash, leather interior, and a whole bunch of Hall Pantera parts. It took another trip to Hall again in the mid 90's for a bunch more work.
I just stumbled upon this webpage from when it was put up for sale in about 2011. It does a good job of listing the work that was done by Hall.
What do you guys think? Is there any way to document this as a "Hall Super

https://www.ferraris-online.co...qcardir=DT-PANT-3995

Click the bar at the bottom of that webpage to see more details and pictures.

Doc,

I think your logical first step, rather than asking us, would be a simple phone call to Hall Pantera. Certainly the easiest and most direct way to begin such verification.

Larry - "I know nothing "

There's a lot of great stuff and pictures of your car on ProvaMo, (beautiful car, by the way) but the advertising info says....

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We are pleased to offer 1972 De Tomaso Pantera s/n 03995 with one long-term owner since 1993 and only 22,248 miles. Built to full GT5 body specifications, this Pantera has numerous Hall Super Pantera-inspired upgrades. The owner had the car stripped to bare metal and repainted by Hall Pantera.

I thought all the Super Pantera's got named (like "Rapid" and "Purple Haze")- or am I wrong about this too...

As per my records:

Hall produced 28 Super Panteras between 1977 to 1992.

Hall produced 18 Ultra Panteras between 1993 and 1998.

No special names. I can tell you the ultra Panteras were very very expensive.

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Originally posted by George P:
As per my records:

Hall produced 28 Super Panteras between 1977 to 1992.

Hall produced 18 Ultra Panteras between 1993 and 1998.

No special names. I can tell you the ultra Panteras were very very expensive.

Thanks, that's about what I thought on numbers. I only labeled that photo as Purple Haze because I am still experiencing the effects of Jimmy Hendrix and the trees seemed to fit well.

I guess I am confused by some of the other cars Hall built, like "Root Beer" and "Burgundy Express".

I thought there was a presentation of them on the Hall Pantera website, but I couldn't find it the last time I looked.

Rocky

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Originally posted by Rocky:
I guess I am confused by some of the other cars Hall built, like "Root Beer" and Burgundy Express.

I thought there was a presentation of them on the Hall Pantera website, but I couldn't fined it the last time I looked.

Rocky

Yeah I saw those in his shop too, and I believe his Ultra 5S Targa was "Purple Passion". Maybe he just named his own personal cars.

The "Pink Panther" and "Big Red" also. I never realized he built so many of them? I thought it was limited to just the ones he named?

Probably no two are exactly the same though?

Mine was done there the same way. I visited Hall's shop several years ago and asked if they had any info on mine. They were all nice but no one was going to lift a finger to check. The only thing I got was "yup..looks familliar."

Now...it's a Gary Walker Super Pantera!

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Originally posted by Dr.Oldsmobile:
Im wondering if there is a way to find out if my car (3995) would be considered a "Hall Super Pantera".
It started life as a yellow L-bodied car, but somewhere in the early 80's went to 'Hall Pantera'and emerged with the GT5 body, dropped floor pans, new dash, leather interior, and a whole bunch of Hall Pantera parts. It took another trip to Hall again in the mid 90's for a bunch more work.
I just stumbled upon this webpage from when it was put up for sale in about 2011. It does a good job of listing the work that was done by Hall.
What do you guys think? Is there any way to document this as a "Hall Super

https://www.ferraris-online.co...qcardir=DT-PANT-3995

Click the bar at the bottom of that webpage to see more details and pictures.

It's a shame they don't share the records. The Hall cars could have been to Pantera what Yenko was to other marquis.

Hall's website currently has a link for the
super Pantera history which shows the original blue car #1 and the silver car from "Pantera's for the road" book I assume all Pantera owners have. If not, get a copy on Amazon used for cheap. I have Halls catalogs from the early 1980s and in them Gary had a description of what a super Pantera was in terms of the parts, fabrication and upgrades consisted of. If you google Hall super Pantera, several images are available and yes, no two cars were the same as these were one-off hand built cars for persons giving Gary $100G. Most were flared group IV cars, but not all. Gary also stuck flares and stuff on owner cars as "conversions" but they are not super Panteras.

Ultra Panteras came much later and were GT5S styled cars. Many fewer were built.

Gary seemed to name all the cars he built.

It is too bad this was never recorded or shared and with Gary no longer with us, that is gone I guess.