ZMAX - snake oil?

Fascinating. Thanks for the link. I had honestly wondered about the stuff. Since I put 'racing' blend in the Pantera, apparently enough 'zddp' to satisfy not investing in the supplement. But I wondered.

Then in the complaint, I read this...

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7. Since at least May 1999, and continuing thereafter, Defendants have maintained a substantial course of trade in the offer and sale of the zMax Power System (�zMax�) -- a package of three clear, beaker-shaped bottles of zMax brand aftermarket motor vehicle lubricant labeled �Oil Formula,� �Fuel Formula,� and �Transmission Formula.� The liquid in each bottle is itself clear but tinged a different color for each �formula.� Each of the three 'formulas' consists of 100% mineral oil with no active chemical additives."

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That's from the official language. Read the last sentence again. Thanks Shel. And HE sues others for infringement. Sorry. I find egregious distaste and contradiction therein, however unpopular.

I find it rather ironic and completely fitting that CS would endorse "snake" oil.

Mark

It figures. The old man seems to do just about anything for money.

The FTC went after them in 2001, in 2003 zMax published a letter stating that the dispute with the FTC had been resolved ...

http://www.zmax.com/ftc/

Apparently they've toned down their claims and agreed to pay a total of $1M in aggregate to purchasers of zMax before early '01.

That doesn't mean I'm going to put additives into my engine.

For even more support for the old man's character, do some searching about how much of the $millions raised by his charities has ACTUALLY been disbursed to those in need. Pretty disturbing.

Mark

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For even more support for the old man's character

And for even more, research the lawsuit against the SAAC - Shelby American Automobile Club....

Shakespeare had it right -

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

With apologies to any lawyers reading this post.

Something tells me that Shelby has been on both ends of lawsuits for some time now. As often the f*&kee as the f*&kor.

Kill all the lawyers? Then what? Go get a lead pipe, hire some mobster to settle your complaints, or just shut up and take it?

And what does CS have to do with Bruton Smith's mega corporation other than lend an endorsement. Do you think he actually went and did the research, or did he likely just take the word of the experts at the largest motorsport outfit in the US?

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Do you think he actually went and did the research, or did he likely just take the word of the experts at the largest motorsport outfit in the US?

No, I'm sure he did no research. And he surely did take advice from others.

What is really sad here is CS was one of THE men in the auto world, and in his golden years, the folks that represent him are seemingly doing their best to see that his image is totally tarnished by the time he kicks the proverbial bucket.

As for the Shakespeare quote, of course lawyers do serve a valuable purpose to society. But a bunch of them are money-grabbing, me-first kind of guys, using the system for their own gain - not for the betterment of society.

Like in all professions and groups, the stench from a few begins to discredit the majority.

Larry

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Do you think he actually went and did the research, or did he likely just take the word of the experts at the largest motorsport outfit in the US?

Nah, he didn't even take their "word" - he just took the only thing he's out to take - their "money" (or anyone's for that matter).

"I’ve got my reputation to protect and I wouldn’t recommend zMAX unless I knew it worked.”
~Carroll Shelby

C'mon, didn't this guy screw over DeTomaso? That in itself seals the deal for me. Actually in all seriousness this guys value is in putting his name on products. A few friends and I conteplated putting money in and buying a GT500 before he croaked... then the Super Snake came out. Thankfully we came to our senses. Shame, as I really like the 09 Mustang.
Just another business man who should never be trusted. What has he done that is significant in the last decade?? Pure sellout. How I wish the Mangusta spanked his car.

Really interesting stuff. "I wouldn't put my name on it unless..." is what many call "puffery" in the legal world, but an endorsement nonetheless. His word, his name, our dollars. "Trust for sale" as it were.

The SAAC debacle was worse, much worse. The SAAC guys - Kopec and all of them - were US. As in me, you, car guys, fanaticism over finance and all that. Ol' Shel' trampled 'em. They - in my NON LEGAL estimation - kept the Shelby Automobile embers alive. Their thanks? A 7 digit lawsuit and discredit to 31 years of work.

I didn't know about the malfeasance of charitable donations, and will make no comment here.

I do hope, and pray, for this man will 'see religion' that his career should stand for more than a disgraceful exit. IF that sounded judgmental, unintended. Hobbyists pursue with their heart first, wallet later.

Currently, Shel's order is reversed.