Intermittent wipers for Pre-L Panteras

Good find
Think I might be going that direction

That's great. The mfg website has detailed info and looks to be a pretty straightforward installation.

Hi Bayani. One of our POCA members in Reno-Tahoe Panteras built a variable-speed wiper switch for me a few years ago using a delay system once sold by JC Whitney. It was a 'universal' but no longer sold by JCW so he recently designed & built a new, improved one from components. I see him regularly so I'll mention that there may be a few people interested in this neat li'l mod.

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Originally posted by Bosswrench:
Hi Bayani. One of our POCA members in Reno-Tahoe Panteras built a variable-speed wiper switch for me a few years ago using a delay system once sold by JC Whitney. It was a 'universal' but no longer sold by JCW so he recently designed & built a new, improved one from components. I see him regularly so I'll mention that there may be a few people interested in this neat li'l mod.

I would be interested too, not that the car would ever seen rain. I could use them while I'm washing it maybe?

there are still many "add in's"

here is one for $10
http://store.qkits.com/wind-sh...r-module-mxa041.html

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Originally posted by Bosswrench:
Hi Bayani. One of our POCA members in Reno-Tahoe Panteras built a variable-speed wiper switch for me a few years ago using a delay system once sold by JC Whitney. It was a 'universal' but no longer sold by JCW so he recently designed & built a new, improved one from components. I see him regularly so I'll mention that there may be a few people interested in this neat li'l mod.

Hey Jack, no need. This product's already got me sold as it occupies the same space as the original switch, it's plug and play, and just adds two positions on the selector for delay.

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
I would be interested too, not that the car would ever seen rain. I could use them while I'm washing it maybe?

Hah!

It does appear to be a perfect upgrade (for the early dash).
(I might even convert my dual rocker switch dash)

I don't understand what you intend to do with it? Are you putting that under the dash as an add on or do you intend to replace the rocker switch itself?
Anyone have pictures of one already done?

That part is "not found" on that web page. How old is that box?

the preL did not use rockers, but a Knob type switch

That's a nicer set up.

When I built my Pantera, I used the wiper set up by SPWKITS. I know it's a bit more involved but with a simple mounting bracket you can adapt a modern motor system with modern controls:

Getting the Wipers to operate Intermittent gave me a bit of a headache. First I found the "Smartscreen" Box and bought one from the UK. It was a very simple fit and worked as a charm. BUT every time my Radiator Fan kicked in the Wipers did one swipe!!! I tried everything with dampening inline Condensers, regular damping Condensers and had a friend help me to troubleshoot as well. He has 40+ years experience as an Automotive Electrician. I got a replacement unit sent but same diagnose.... The supplier gave an excellent support and had never experienced something like that with any of the modules sold. Eventually I went "all in" and decided to fit a Lucas Wiper Stalk on the right side of the Steering Column. I bought a new one for a Land Rover together with a special Harness for the VW "99" Relay witch facilitates step-less intermittent Wiper function. I am really pleased with the setup it was however quite a challenge to fit the Stalk Switch on the Steering Column. Last Summer I met a Swedish Pantera owner who did the same job but used a Stalk Switch from a Volvo 340 I believe.

You can replace the entire steering column with that from a recent Corvette. Then everything is contained on the column and replacement parts are available through GM.

I haven't seen it done yet. Here is what I know about it.

http://pantera-electronics.com/productdevelp.htm

That's pretty cool. I wonder how much such an assembly and install would roll up to. Perhaps John has one integrated into his car?

Jon says he only did one for a customer request. He built an "interface" board for it to make it a plug and play into the Pantera.

He does have that interface part for sale for whoever wants to do the GM Corvette swap plus tech help on the install.

The wiper switch is on the column as well as the headlight switch.

The telescopic feature of the Corvette column is motorized and it has a tilt feature as well.

Sounds like it would make a very nice way to go with a custom interior?

Ask him to email you the installation manual for it.

Here's one on ebay for $500.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-2...AOSwl8NVdz6c&vxp=mtr

Here's another for $120.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Corvet...AOSwu4BV10-N&vxp=mtr

I think you will need the steering wheel with it though but in doing the wheel also you are putting so many of the controls right in front of you. Cruise control for one.

It IS changing the entire concept of the controls in the car. Like I said, if you are doing a custom interior, dash, console this is something that you need to consider even if you immediately dismiss it.

It does take a lot of the hand made Italian feeling out of it although if you look at what Lamborghini has done here with this Adventador, they have yielded to a higher technology and let go of the past I think?

You industrial designers will notice that the fitment criteria of the Aventador's "dash assembly" could be virtually fit into a Pantera? The space it fits into is so similar?



I personally don't like the feeling of this car sitting behind the wheel. The car feels bulky and not sleek.

It may be THE design place to be in 2015 but to me it feels like "Battlestar Galactica" from the '70s? You peek over the dash board. Does Lamborghini know it's customer? A rich kid driving a video game?

I wonder about his hair cut? Is it a Mohawk or a $1,000 CEO scissor cut for the 'board meetings'?

This interior seems massively over contrived?

It shows me nothing of "form following function". It is like a industrial plant-scape. Needlessly creating alleyways and corridors to purposely create so much visual activity as to confuse a criticism?

The Pantera interior dating to an earlier time and expectation even though involved for its time is more graceful and predictable to me?

Neither do I equate flying a current high performance fighter plane with driving a ultimate performance car. Some do. Just a difference in perspective?



The '71 wiper switch with an intermittent device added to it is the better way to go I think. It is the simplest solution by far.

Having said that, Jon was saying that he had difficulty with getting the Pantera wiper motor to park the wipers properly after adding the intermittent feature. The Pantera wiper motor, according to him, does not lend itself well to the intermittent device simply.

It would run on after it was shut off.

There was additional electrical design incorporated into the Pantera-Electronics Corvette conversion control board to correct that and make it park properly in his solution for the Corvette column.

I just suggested the Corvette steering column as a continuation of the thought of "modernizing". Modernization is not always the best way to go.

Do you really want your early '70s Italian sports car to compete with this Lamborghini? I think it is out of it's eliment? I mean the Lamborghini is.

I have wired a Rain Tracker in my car.
When you put the normal wiper switch on slow, if the switch I put under the left side relay cover is on, the wipers are controlled by the sensor which is stuck to the windscreen. There are some videos out there on how it goes from variable intermittent, slow and high. It works quite well.
I also wired in my side lights so they are turned on by the sensor also, another switch is under the panel so that can be returned to normal also.

This thread was lifted to an incredible academic level that was in fact of no (technical) help to anyone searching for an easy way to incorporate an intermittent Wiper option!

As I wrote previously the "Smartscreen box" did not work well on my Car, but that does not mean it will not work on other Panteras. My Car has modified wiring in several areas and that might be the reason. The "Smartscreen box" has helped a lot of Car owner with a 100% identical Wiper system to the Pantera. It is a very common Lucas setup which is on millions of British (and others) Cars.

The operation of the unit is straight forward.

Pressing the intermittent window wash switch activates the wipers on normal speed for three cycles and park correctly.
The existing two-speed wiper switch works completely as normal.
The stock switch and wiper motor do not have to be changed.
No additional wire is required in the wiper loom if there is sufficient slack. A short portion of wire may be required from the wash motor power wire to the unit.
No additional fuses are required. All wires (except the wash power wire) are located in the wiper loom.
The intermittent feature has an adjustable delay range of 3 to 30 seconds.
The intermittent delay is easily set. Turn the wipers on to low speed for one cycle by flicking the wiper switch on & off rapidly. Wait the delay period you want, and flick the switch again. The delay is now set, and the wipers work intermittently with the wiper switch left in the off position. The delay is canceled with either one more flick of the switch, turning the car off, or turning the wipers on continuously.

link to installation diagram

Using this flowchart I found that the SS05/P is suitable for my 73 GTS

There you go. Problem solved. A simple solution to maybe a not so simple consideration of options?

I think I might have to have a look out for one of these based on what I've been playing with the past few hours. The more I look at the moment on this one's electrics the more I'm finding....

As a follow-up, I completed switching over to this Cole Hersee wiper switch and it was fairly easy. Although the new switch was a 2" cube in dimension, it plugged in easily to the hole vacated by the original switch without modification. You will have to add male quick-disconnect connectors so you can plug into car wiring. The only difference is the addition of a ground wire required from the switch itself. To make it easier on myself, I used a Faston harness plug on both sides to make it easier for servicing if required later on. These plugs are the same as what the factory used for the wiring harness. I bought a plug kit on eBay that has both male and female ends and the connectors.

I'll add the wiring notes when I get chance for matching the factory wiring to the switch wiring.

Thats awesome news!! I've just bought one and have it coming in from the US so I'd love to see your wiring notes just to make my life easier .

Were you able to get the original plastic knob on it (if you tried)?

Hey Michael,

Here's the wiring info. Just make sure your factory wires match up.


I don't have my original square nob. I wish I had kept it but I moved a few times and small things like that tend to get lost or thrown out when that happens. I believe the old nob will fit the new switch but I don't know for sure. I may have the knob 3D printed if I can get a hold of a scan of the original.

Sweet! I'll let you all know how it goes and if the original knob fits on as well.

I am in the process of evaluating a few 3D CAD packages so I could potentially draw one up once I get my head around using it properly. The package I'm looking at now produces the 3D Print files needed so all I'd need to do once drawn is press print... (I'll also need to get the printer... but that's already on the cards as well).

Wow. Cool.

Installed the new switch today and it was a little intermittent initially but that was due to a ground issue which is sorted.

One thing, and I don't know if you've found this in your play with it so far - the high speed isn't working. It's like the switch goes out on overload. It could be that I need to "loosen" the mechanical side up but thought I'd ask if anyone else has had the same issue.

I'll play some more and report back! Other than the high speed thing though, I'm kinda happy - so far. An intermittent selection will be handy .

In my case, I already knew I burned out my old wiper motor prior to the switch change and swapped in a new motor as part of the job. The only issue I had was the motor parking the wipers 180 degrees out so I had to pull the new gear I installed to roll the cam for the park position.

Jim Murch of Reno-Tahoe Panteras built a few wiper delay systems some years ago that works with the Pantera's Lucas system. The control box is about the size of a matchbox and spade-lugs into the stock wiring. They were all on '71-72 Panteras with rocker switches, but I see no problem with adapting it to early rotary switch cars. The model was a wiper delay system once sold by JC Whitney (discontinued) that Jim modified to work, then duplicated from components when JCW stopped carrying the accessory. There was an illustrated POCA newsletter article done on it.

This one is parking perfectly - even when it does the "reset" thing. It could just be the mechanical side is stiff from years of never use and needs to bed in so the motor isn't working so hard to move stuff.

At the end of the day it certainly isnt a short term show stopper for what I need - I have working wipers which is what I need for Rego. It's unlikely I'll have 1424 out in that much rain that I'll need high speed anyway (I almost never use it on my other cars).