351c EFI Kit

Doug,

Those are just converted carb intake manifolds. They drill a single plane intake and weld on injector bungs. Lots of places do that.

Dan Jones

Maybe so but 1) it saves me from doing it and 2) I don't need to cut up a Trickflow R manifold.

Doug,
Have you seen my modified intake?

Link

I like the "stealth" aspect of the Mass Flo EFI system, and I touted it for a long time here. Last year I heard a story of a Pantera owner receiving very poor customer service from the organization, and so I've kept quiet about them since then.

Mass Flo evolved from the Quality Roadsters business, an east coast Cobra Replica company. They had developed the efi system because so many of their Cobra customers were requesting EFI for their cars. The demand became so big for their system, from people outside their Cobra customers, that they split the EFI manufacturing business off onto its own & called it Mass Flo. Quality Roadsters has a good rep, so my guess is that the folks running the MassFlo side of the business aren't associated with the Quality Roadsters organization. Or they've gotten so big that customer service has suffered.

Fredrik, did you ever install the EFI system in your car? If so, it would make a good story for the magazine, I'm sure other owners would love to read of your experience.

George

There is a signifigant advantage to a MAF EFI.
You can run a Ford CPU out of whatever vehicle yo like and it already has a funtioning program.

If you go with an aftermarket you need to program then entire map.

I don't know if I'm up to that. I'll find out I suppose.

Nice find Doug ... I happen to agree with you 100% .. I think a programmed CPU has many advantages .. theres too much heresay out there to get a straight answer with IR EFI. But I will find out soon.

Fredrick ..real nice job .. and I too some times feel its easier to make then buy. But I also wiegh the amount of time and effort compared to a tried and proven set up.

Dont believe that you can just run a stock EFI computer. You cant. I put one on the engine it came off of(Mark VIII). I used matching injectors and MAF from another engine(Lightning). I still had to spend some time tuning the system to drive right. I was able to tune the Ford ECM because I bought the tuning software from SCT. The way the software is setup, it has little chance of running IR without a special ECM.

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Originally posted by Fredrik Gustavsson:
Doug,
Have you seen my modified intake?

Link

Yes I saw it. You did a great job on it. Is it installed and running yet?

Ron, if you use a Haltecg E6X CPU, you don't need a crank trigger. You can use your Motorcrafte electronic distributor.

If anyone finds a VSS (vehicle speed sensor) that will work with the Pantera THAT I CAN GET, please let me know what and where, Thanks.

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Last year I heard a story of a Pantera owner receiving very poor customer service from the organization,

Heck, I've talked to enough Pantera owners to hear a terrible story about every vendor we have available to us. I've only written off the ones that have dropped the ball with me personally, not the ones that someone else had problems with.

No one bats 1000 every day, every year. MassFlo may have been having a bad day, the owner may have had a bad day, the stars may not have been in alignment.

One bad feedback isn't enough to write them off.

my 2¢

Larry

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If anyone finds a VSS (vehicle speed sensor) that will work with the Pantera THAT I CAN GET, please let me know what and where, Thanks.

Doug, check out this thread.
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9550045562/m/7780038783/p/1

I did purchase one of these units, out of the UK. See this link

http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9550045562...110011314#5110011314

These still show up on eBay UK. Most will ship to USA and take Paypal. I still have just the one.

You're welcome

Larry

Larry that is the part I need but I can't find it new in the US. It's a euro Festiva part.

I looked in Standard (aftermarket)listings also and haven't found it yet.

If anyone finds a US source it is a critical part for anyone who is going to any kind of EFI on the Pantera whatever system you go to.

Your friends here would appreciate the info.

If you don't use one, the car will stall when it decellerates.

It comes up on a Google search of Ford 7151113 but it is in German. I barely speak English.

And yes, Roland Jackle has it if you want the easy way out.

I would like to point out that I think it would be better to find a local universal source, rather then just one. Particularly one accross the pond.

If that one source "dries up" then there could be a problem.

I hope that his feelings aren't hurt by me. I certainly don't mean to do that.
It isn't an expensive part and I think that for the couple of Euros he's making on them he doesn't really care where you buy it. I think he is just trying to help us out.

Doug and George,
I'm installing the system on the car right now. It takes long time because I have to make several custom parts such as brackets, air intake tube, wiring harness and a lot of other things. My goal is to have a running system in the end of April.

PD,

You can probably walk in to any Ford dealer in the UK and get it off the shelf! If it becomes an issue I have family in the UK

I broke down the part # and it appears the 9E731 is a generic Ford reference to a VSS (vehicle speed sensor), 94BB (and 94BZ) brings up Ford Probe, Contour & Mercury Mystique 95 model year and the DA may be reference to manual transmission.

On that basis and a little web research Kragen's (Parts America) show this;

VSS Mystique

The close up photo actually shows part # 94BB-9E731-A? Gotta be worth a trip to your local Kragen's and $53 to find out if it fits. If not you can just return it.

Julian

Julian, that's a great find thanks.

A lot of applications will look the same on the outside.
The problem is going to be the calibration. The one that we need is for 8 pulses per revolution.

Some are for 6 pulses. How can you tell them appart? They aren't listed by that.

They all look like they will bolt up.

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If anyone finds a VSS (vehicle speed sensor) that will work with the Pantera THAT I CAN GET, please let me know what and where, Thanks.

Doug, I just recently installed an electronic speedometer in my Pantera. I used a speed sensor from Speedometer Service Company in Milwaukee. It mounts to the ZF where the 90 degree adapter is. You do not need the adapter. The part number is HE22CS. Talk to Roger. His number is 414-463-6660. Scott

Thanks Scott, that certainly is an alternative that wasn't considered.
If I may, how expensive is it?

It was $115.00.

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Originally posted by Joules5:
PD,

You can probably walk in to any Ford dealer in the UK and get it off the shelf! If it becomes an issue I have family in the UK

I broke down the part # and it appears the 9E731 is a generic Ford reference to a VSS (vehicle speed sensor), 94BB (and 94BZ) brings up Ford Probe, Contour & Mercury Mystique 95 model year and the DA may be reference to manual transmission.

On that basis and a little web research Kragen's (Parts America) show this;

VSS Mystique

The close up photo actually shows part # 94BB-9E731-A? Gotta be worth a trip to your local Kragen's and $53 to find out if it fits. If not you can just return it.

Julian

Julian, what model year Mystique is this part from?

Doug, Year model Mystique was 1995, I think this is the first year they came out.

Julian