De Tomaso Factory Documents Available

Please show me what you have for Pantera 4580.

Here, all invoices of all pantera sold to usa, but need to look deeper and search for this number

Each invoice have many pantera 10 or 20 cars with chassis/engine number and color.
Theses original factory invoices will be perfect for someone who want to make a certificate for pantera owners

Here

Phillippe

In the automotive sense your business cannot be a registry until a few owners register their cars with you. Registries document the production specifics, and track the ownership of collectible cars. Is that what you want to do? Doing so requires hard work, a spirit of public service, and a long-term commitment to this community of owners. You could describe your business as a budding registry if this is your plan, if not it would be best described as a repository of documents. Perhaps better named the "De Tomaso Repository".

As far as being official, if Santiago or Isabella De Tomaso were to introduce you as representing them, or having their support in your effort, I would honor that for the fact that I respect them. That would be one path towards becoming official; the quick and easy path. It is not enough for somebody to have the same last name as the founder of the company. The Italian phone book is full of people with the last name Ferrari. I have the same last name as the vice president of the united states, but I do not represent him in any capacity.

The other path towards becoming official is by being accepted by a great number of owners as being a valuable part of their community, earning their trust, proving your value to them, exhibiting your commitment to them. Think of the word official as being synonymous with the word accepted. This requires diligence, patience, hard work, and the passing of time. This is how Chuck Melton earned his position as registrar.

To barge into our community like a bull in the china closet and announce yourself as the "official registry" is not how things are done; it is an unreasonable expectation. It lacks respect and humility. It has the appearance of mendacity. It will not win you any support or make you any friends.

I certainly concur with George.

As a suggestion, a great way to get off on the right foot might be to help shed some light on the enigma of the “Pantera Plus” discussions.

If you can provide some insight into the provance of VIN 4829, you could be doing the community a valuable service.

In addition, with more information disclosed, the documents you hold may actually be highly desirable for the owner of the car.... it could be a win-win for both of you.


Just a suggestion for consideration.....

Rocky

How many of you remember hearing how the brilliant folks at Ford headquarters tossed all the Pantera program documents into dumpsters, and even destroyed the body panel press molds? So much for historic documentation of the Ford aspects of the Pantera or accurate replacement panels.

Remember when we all saw the photos of the abandoned DeTomaso factory, with parts, prototypes, papers by the thousands and numerous unknown items strewn hither-yonder? Just like Detroit, Modena trashed irreplaceable Pantera history.

The forum member who started this thread is a European resident who joined this forum in 2004, but who has made less than 200 postings since joining.

He has let us know a friend and he are in possession of multiple DeTomaso factory build sheets and related documents, and that the documents "are available for the owners".

They have created a website and a Facebook presence, but both are very minimal in content. But of course everything has to have a starting point; perhaps more content will be added in the coming months? (Website does have a lot of good photos, though.)

Their website is "RegisterDeTomaso.com" and this thread uses "registry De Tomaso". As English is not their native language, I wonder if the registry/register terms used by them may not accurately convey to native English speakers what they are intending to convey. I do know their English is a lot better than my Italian.

I'm not sure what their business model is regarding the documents they say are "available to owners". Perhaps they are benevolent souls who intend to send, free-of-charge, copies of pertinent factory documentation to owners; more than likely, obtaining copies of documents will involve an exchange of funds for the documents provided. I'm sure the coming weeks will provide some clarity and specifics regarding just what this venture is all about.

In the meantime, perhaps we could ponder just where would someone get such an idea to sell factory documentation of specific cars to their owners?



Larry

I'll bite - what can you offer me for information on #2927?

Please send email to registerdetomaso@gmail.com

If you need infos

Dear All, you miss 2 points

Who wrote the official De Tomaso book with the archives of the factory ?
I was in Modena 6 months opening all the boxes and receive full suport and help by the De Tomaso family, then I have more than anyone the right to transfert my archives to internet

Second point, I do not think that people have read all explanation from facebook page, you should

Last point, it s a lie with the 5 K euro quote story, A LIE
All the factory papers show a GTS with 10 Inch wheels, nothing more and he can buy the docs for 500 Euro, but prefer to believe his story, this is why theses valuables documents are important, as they represent the truth against the fantasy.

Message of 1 September need to be read about the GTS fantasy
https://www.facebook.com/groups/913727162161256/

And the registerdetomaso.com is for race cars only like my official book, anyway, if you dont like it, no stress....no worry...

quote:

Originally posted by Olczyk:
Second point, I do not think that people have read all explanation from facebook page, you should

I would hope you will put the same explaination on webpage as I do not have access to FaceBook

Are you selling the original documents?
Are you going to scan and make information from those documents available.
I think It would be a great lost if the original documents are distrubuted to collections and thus the information contain hoarded away from public

we have bought the complet archives from the factory from 1959 until 2004 who can be available to everyone (just provide your chassis number and we will be able to provide you originals invoices to dealer with chassis number , engine number, reparations, invoices from body shop, homologation papers etc etc

Blueprint + drawings for all the race cars and cars are available

Vallelunga

Mangusta, chassis and engine number

Pantera, chassis and engine number

Deauville, chassis and engine number

Longchamps, chassis and engine number

Maserati Barchetta, chassis and engine number

Guara, chassis and engine number

Bigua

As we bought the complet office archives De Tomaso, we have also invoices from Vignale, Ford, Campana, all the suppliers of the factory

Tomaso never threw anything, so imagine what we found in papers, family trust papers, family real estate papers, dealer contracts, suppliers, disputes, lawyer's letters, Qvale Mangusta business, all projects De Tomaso and Maserati, Benelli, Guzzi.

The Vallelunga 2000 with 2200 cc Turbo engine and 6 speed gearbox
The Maserati prototypes, De Tomaso, the designers who worked for De Tomaso and Maserati

Maserati has developed a 750cc engine for Guzzi

We have in the boxes, the life of the factory De Tomaso and we were very lucky, because the administrator had cleaned the factory and had everything thrown in the trash. It took the relevance of a worker who brought everything home and sold it to us

As an automotive expert who saw the archives would say, he simply tells us.

You are now the guardian of the De Tomaso story

P.S Of course, we dont work for free, like everybody here

My “interest” would be the drawings/blueprints for the Pantera. I would have NO interest in acquiring originals, but only in high resolution electronic copies. Would a catalogue of such be part of your marketing plan?

I feel the dispersal of original drawings to individuals without prior coping and making available to others is a lost to the Marquee.

i have so many...
for what ?, body, interior, engine, suspensions ?

Here

quote:

Originally posted by Olczyk:
i have so many...
for what ?, body, interior, engine, suspensions ?

would that be Original of copy?
will each be offered/sold seperately?

I would think compiling the available blueprint scans into the format that greatly expand the already available parts books would be a start

For example, One blueprint that was recently sold on ebay, its title shown in pic...How much for a high resolution copy of it?

all pantera invoices sold to usa

invoice detail the chassis number, engine and color

95 % of all the built sheet for the Mangusta

More

quote:

Originally posted by The Reaper:
The picture is meant in humor.

Yes, it s funny, I agree, you should ads, Junk and Historicals documents

Olczyk, Let me make a suggestion if you will. You bought the DeTomaso Paperwork for a certain price? Right? Ok, then you should come up with a cost that is reasonable based on how much you paid for the documents. Each invoice should be copied and then sold to whomever requests it for a small fee. The original documents should be kept together as a historical catalog of documents. This way the value of the catalog is also maintained. A small fee of say $15-$30 would make sense to me to obtain copies.

Also, I think George (Cowboy as you call him) should be paid a small fee for each document sold thru this forum.

Just my 2 Cents.

quote:

Originally posted by Olczyk:
Here

questa e una cazzata

George, I think you should re-re title this thread. It’s not a registry, it’s ARCHIVES, and it is quite real. Phillippe bought the collection from Marcel Schaub. Marcel told me the collection was far from complete, but he did have a LOT of information on a lot (but not all) non-US cars.

The data on US cars is sparse. They were all built to a single standard (which changed over time of course) and the only documentation De Tomaso kept was the shipping and sales invoice to Ford. It’s really more of a customs requirement. I bought a copy of the document for my own car from De Tomaso when I visited with Fred Phillips in 2013. Mine lists something like 25 cars by serial number (not all in sequence, but in the same general neighborhood), and listed the color and engine number of each car, and a total price for the shipment.

Interesting conversation piece to have....

FWIW Marcel was asking 125,000 Euros for this collection. Fred tried to buy it but wouldn’t pay that much. One can only guess what Philippe had to pay but suffice it to say, it wasn’t cheap! So if you think that he is asking an unreasonable amount to share the info he has, realize it will take a thousand years to make back his investment, most likely.

Lashdeep Singh bought a smaller collection of similar documents on 9000-series cars from a source in Italy. He likewise paid a fortune and it will be difficult for him to recoup his investment, even if he charges a lot for the info he has to each individual....

Nobody (except maybe Marcel!) ever got rich selling De Tomaso parts, magazines, or information.....

We live in a strange world..

Lies, mistakes, misinformation

Even if I known Marcel very well, I t s been 5 years minimum that I did not see him )

I did not bought the archives from him...

To give you a exemple, I have 380 built sheet for Mangusta out of 400 cars

And registerdetomaso.com is the register for all races cars, informations who come from my archives that I receive from the factory when I made the official book ...
And a other big news very soon

For Pantera blueprints/drawings….

Are you selling the originals separately as memorabilia?

OR

Will you make and sell high resolution copies?

I personally am not interested in memorabilia, but in the technical information in building the Pantera. Therefore, access to ALL available drawings would be desired. A CD like the POCA “the Works” would be great. Purchasing separate drawings would be like buying a single page of the Ford Parts Book.

You make mention to FaceBook. I don’t do facebook, period. So could you share what your intent concerning the distribution of your acquired great archives

I can sell all Pantera drawing to the same person, I dont wish to make copy. It s too much time consuming

quote:

Originally posted by Olczyk:

To give you a exemple, I have 380 built sheet for Mangusta out of 400 cars

What are the highest 4 Serial numbers for Mangusta files you have?

1302

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Drew:
George, I think you should re-re title this thread. It’s not a registry, it’s ARCHIVES, and it is quite real. Phillippe bought the collection from Marcel Schaub. Marcel told me the collection was far from complete, but he did have a LOT of information on a lot (but not all) non-US cars.

The data on US cars is sparse. They were all built to a single standard (which changed over time of course) and the only documentation De Tomaso kept was the shipping and sales invoice to Ford. It’s really more of a customs requirement. I bought a copy of the document for my own car from De Tomaso when I visited with Fred Phillips in 2013. Mine lists something like 25 cars by serial number (not all in sequence, but in the same general neighborhood), and listed the color and engine number of each car, and a total price for the shipment.

Interesting conversation piece to have....

FWIW Marcel was asking 125,000 Euros for this collection. Fred tried to buy it but wouldn’t pay that much. One can only guess what Philippe had to pay but suffice it to say, it wasn’t cheap! So if you think that he is asking an unreasonable amount to share the info he has, realize it will take a thousand years to make back his investment, most likely.

Lashdeep Singh bought a smaller collection of similar documents on 9000-series cars from a source in Italy. He likewise paid a fortune and it will be difficult for him to recoup his investment, even if he charges a lot for the info he has to each individual....

Nobody (except maybe Marcel!) ever got rich selling De Tomaso parts, magazines, or information.....

I have great respect for Mike Drew, I have great respect for Mike Drew, but I have no idea where heget theses wrong infos.
Contact me by email Mike, thank

https://www.facebook.com/register.detomaso.1

More Junk ....LOL

This Junk is just the inventario 1973 from the factory with all cars in stock with chassis number, not really interesting ...LOL

I love it, can you send me high defintion please ? olczyk@yahoo.com

I would like to apologize as I have made a mistake, I stupidly claim to have 380 builtsheet for Mangusta when in reality, I have 400.
Sorry for the mistake

Builtsheet for Pantera when you are lucky and it s GR3

End of September, finally
The Mangusta Register with official documents

Just delivery builtsheet 1266 Mangusta to hios owner who can now claim really, matching number car

Roland had given Roland those sheets more than 10 years ago. They are on his webpage. http://mangusta-ma1266.blogspo...266-history.html?m=1

Additional note. 8MA1266 although beautiful and one of highest value in the world is not numbers matching as original motor was replaced by a Rousch racing motor. Original block and intake lost forever in USA.

Thank you very much, I appreciate your comment.
Frankly, I do t like the restoration of the car as everything’s is badly done.
One, when you have a expensive car, it s a obligation to put back his original color
Second, you can modify the original engine, but always keep it, as what is valuable for ferrari or Lamborghini is also true for DT, a car should be matching numbers to get the most value.
Third and last, I have seen the car and was not impressed by the restoration, for everybody who have seen a DT restored by Diomante in Italy, it s night and day.
In the community of DT , it s time that everybody understand that documented car is important and originality also.
If you have a perfect push button Pantera, it will cost double that for the same car push button but modified it Gr4
Originality is the key of futur value, and documented car is very important.
Did you see that the BMW 507 was sold last week 50% more that a other one, why ? Because perfectly documented from day one.
Thank you for your time that you take to respond to me.

This is unfortunately perfectly true for the value of the car in the speculative market but how hystorical and matching numbers bring something to the real value of the car, I mean its way of driving, its performance, its reliability, etc. .. ????

I am currently completely restoring a 1972 L without historical but engine and ZF matching number and without modifying the look. Its original color was yellow but I do not like this color much, in your opinion it will be worth much less if I repaint it red or black?

My car doesn't drive or perform any better with documents than without them. And driving is that, what i bought it for. This sounds for me like telling Escimos that they need fridgerators...

I was offered tyne De Tomaso Archive details for my Euro Pantera 3840, from a man who lived in Switzerland, his name was Marcel Shaub, they cost me Euro 450.

They cleared up the mystery of why my car with 40K miles on it had "an engine with not the correct number" the engine had in fact been replaced by the factory when a valve dropped in the original engine.

Such a sum is a lot for paperwork but they were NOT photocopies but the real deal.

Personally Photocopies would be my preferred way of working therefore keeping the archive intact, but money rules sadly. every time an owner buys his details the archive is more depleted.

A ferrari 308 polyester red/black will be faster and a better driver with a 328 engine, but the value will be 50 % less.
Here, I m talking about originality and value, now if so do et want to spend 1 million euro and make it faster than a Bugatti, I don’t care, but he will never see his money back.
I m talking about heritage, and I known that some owners do t see it this way.
I respect their choices, if they respect mine.

Strange, Marcel Schaub has originals from the archive and Mr. Olczyk claimes, he ownes the "complete" archive. I remember a guy on eBay ( Sylvestro ) selling originals as well. How many asrchives are out there?

Quote here from one of our gurus, many years ago:

But the paperwork....it remains in flux...
Maybe someday, Santiago will cut the notebook loose and we can all get "our pages" but I doubt that you'll see much variance other than perhaps "special A/C dash" or different calipers front/rear.....perhaps some clue to aluminum or magnesium rims....! Paint codes.....or names.
That would be cool!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Peter Fenlon:
I was offered tyne De Tomaso Archive details for my Euro Pantera 3840, from a man who lived in Switzerland, his name was Marcel Shaub, they cost me Euro 450.

They cleared up the mystery of why my car with 40K miles on it had "an engine with not the correct number" the engine had in fact been replaced by the factory when a valve dropped in the original engine.

Such a sum is a lot for paperwork but they were NOT photocopies but the real deal.

Personally Photocopies would be my preferred way of working therefore keeping the archive intact, but money rules sadly. every time an owner buys his details the archive is more depleted.

450 don’t means anything’s, depend what you receive, some docs can be more expensive or less. It s all different, and that the fun of it, all are différents.
I just found original Italian papers for a pantera, the original papers as the car was the test car for the factory, and the car is for sake today, without ant documentation...
What the value then of the docs ?

quote:

Originally posted by Olczyk:

450 don’t means anything’s, depend what you receive, some docs can be more expensive or less. It s all different, and that the fun of it, all are différents.
I just found original Italian papers for a pantera, the original papers as the car was the test car for the factory, and the car is for sake today, without ant documentation...
What the value then of the docs ?

For me? NOTHING, $ zero

The papers will not remove a gram of rust from the car, will not remove a micron from cylinders wear, will not restore flexibility to rubbers and plastics or gloss to paint. I would even say that they are worthless to the car because a factory test car suffers a lot and the body had to wear a lot and lose a lot of stiffness.


BUT, if a speculator, who will store the car without ever driving with it, agrees to pay the car twice as much if it has the papers, then they are worth a quarter of the price of the car.

But my opinion has no value, I am only an old engineer who has understood nothing and still believes that cars, even old and quite rare, are made to run....

Finally yes, I understand the interest you have in defending the value of papers since it is your buziness and you're right since people buy them.

You miss the complet story and I m sure that you don’t have a proper car.
Everywhere, the value come from the documentation, in everything’s.
You have a watch from Elvis Presley, it s documented , then it s value a fortune.
Same with cars, all of them, when they are collectibles, they need to be documented.
Let s say that one De Tomaso had a Maserati engine in it, and it s documented by the factory, it will be double price than a normal pantera. How I known for sure, simple, it was my car with a Merak engine and I sold it double et now, his value is more than double what he have paid.
Everywhere, you will find people who don’t understand, but the fact that they don’t understand will not change the reality,
DOCUMENTSTION IS EVERYTHINGS

That's what I said, it seems to me, papers are valuable to speculators.

quote:

Originally posted by René #4406:

BUT,if a speculator, who will store the car without ever driving with it, agrees to pay the car twice as much if it has the papers, then they are worth a quarter of the price of the car.

But my opinion has no value, I am only an old engineer who has understood nothing and still believes that cars, even old and quite rare, are made to run....

.

And no, my Pantera has no history but yes I have a car that will soon be "collectible", A TVR Griffith 500 of 1997 with all the documents, the invoice of purchase, all the invoices of maintenance , the owner's manual, photocopies of the first two certificates of English registration since I am only the third owner, etc, etc ..... I hope that I can sell it twice its value "real".

I‘ve been reading this thread with great interest and has prompted me to consult a few friends that have oldtimers regarding the importance of documentation. We all agreed to disagree on many points, however there were some points where we all nodded our heads.
Technical documentation is important to support certain technical claims made about the car such as mileage and maintenance. Few would argue that this is not of value.
Things become interesting when it comes to historical documentation documenting claims such as provenance, the winning of important races or having the original build sheet to name just a few. The value of this documentation lies in the eyes of the beholder and he should not be critized for wanting it. It will not affect the enjoyment you get from driving the car. Trust me. I have 2 red Panteras, both 1972. One with documentation and the other without. Guess what. I enjoy both the same. A Picasso painting with signature is more valuable than one without. That is a fact. Both are none the less, equally beautiful. How much is all this worth? Market forces will determine the price. Worried about speculators? Don‘t be. They can influence the prices only so much.
Letˋs look on the bright side of things. We are free to drive and enjoy our wonderful cars even if we donˋt know anything about their history. At least I do!

How about 6566? Please.

Ha ha ha, again a attack against me, I have a advice to you....

dear sir, your life is so empty that you are interested in my life?
I advise you to fill your life, find projects that inspire you and give you joy.
After, you will réalise that if you are busy and happy, the life of others will have no interest

And if the project DT had some real interest for you, you should had fly to Italy and do it yourself

You are a ignorant, you never done somethings valuable for DT,
My life is , I have made the book DT, the 2 register www.registerDetomaso.com and www.registerMangusta.com plus www.classicscars.com , where is the biggest database f chassis number
Please try to do somethings in your life, and dont try to live my life
Jealousy is bad

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In my opinion Phillippe, with all due respect, you are not a registrar, nor a repository, nor a historian, nor an archivist. What I have observed is that you've come into possession of factory documents, now you're selling them off. You're not archiving them, you're selling the original copies and ruining the chances of a future historian using the documents for research ... as you had used factory documents to research your book. You're taking a collection of documents, an archive, and splintering it. Isn't that the opposite of an archivist? Thus by your actions I would say you are a salesman. You are also taking advantage of our forums, advertising your "merchandise" for free. You should place a banner ad and pay the monthly fee, or place a one time ad in the classifieds like the rest of us.

I agree

Again a free attack, or is it because I refuse to work for free that you attack me
I m more historian than you, I wrote the official book, which one did you wrote ?
I own many websites where, www.classicscars.com you have access for free to DT archives, how many web sites do you own ?

Your life is so empty, that you want to be involve in mine ?
Try to be hapy with your own life, and dont jealous other

Ho, I forget, I have a files on 4406, if I give it for you and loose money, you will find me sympatic ?

No criticism on my part, why do you feel attacked when we say that you are a salesman? There is no shame in that.

Be relaxed.

Suceptible, don't support any criticism and pretentious lesson giver, a very nice character!

Honestly I don't understand this discussion.

Phillippe has some interesting information about many of our cars, that he is willing to share for a fee.

I think the information is pretty cool, and would add to the value of any DT car out there, and I would even consider it for my cars.

Maybe the pricing is too high, maybe it's too low. Who know's, but if you think it's too much, then don't buy. It's THAT simple.



My only concern is that, since it is the original papers that are sold, the archives will be spilt, and thus, the complete story may be lost.

quote:

Originally posted by Push1267:
Honestly I don't understand this discussion.

Phillippe has some interesting information about many of our cars, that he is willing to share for a fee.

I think the information is pretty cool, and would add to the value of any DT car out there, and I would even consider it for my cars.

Maybe the pricing is too high, maybe it's too low. Who know's, but if you think it's too much, then don't buy. It's THAT simple.



My only concern is that, since it is the original papers that are sold, the archives will be spilt, and thus, the complete story may be lost.

Thank you, story will not be lost as www.registerMangusta.com will be online end of the month, plus, I keep a copy of all of it .
Thank you for your support

You dont answer...
How many books did you wrote on de Tomaso ?
Me I spend 6 month of my life in Modena at the factory...then

"Selling" is a more appropriate term than "sharing for a fee".

I have absolutely nothing against the principle, everyone earns his life as he wants, or can.

However, he defends the thesis that the documentation of a car is an essential element of its value at least as important, if not more important, than the real material condition of the car. I know this point of view is shared by some collectors but it's not my case.

This forum is free expression and I have the right to say it without receiving lessons on how to lead my life.

quote:

Originally posted by René #4406:
"Selling" is a more appropriate term than "sharing for a fee".

I have absolutely nothing against the principle, everyone earns his life as he wants, or can.

However, he defends the thesis that the documentation of a car is an essential element of its value at least as important, if not more important, than the real material condition of the car. I know this point of view is shared by some collectors but it's not my case.

This forum is free expression and I have the right to say it without receiving lessons on how to lead my life.

he defends the thesis that the documentation of a car is an essential element of its value at least as important = YES, I defend this
If you had the Elvis Pantera documented , you will sell it at Hemmings for 65 000 $ or at RM for 1 million

And again The Reaper = Ignorant

You are an ignorant and a coward because it is so easy to attack behind a nickname.
Honest people do not hide, they have the honor to wear their name or your name is horrible and you choose to hide and attack.

Do you have one of Tomaso? if so, but your attitude makes me think you do not have Tomaso and live your life on the internet. Stop hiding, be a man

Be a man and send me your email and your real name, show me instead of hiding like a rat. Because if you showed your true face, you would be nicer

From the terms of service, a link can be found at the bottom of each page, for this forum:

“Vendors are welcome to use the Community News Forum to inform members about Pantera or De Tomaso specific parts or services available. Vendors may post questions aimed at the general forum membership in Alejandro's Neighborhood Pub forum.”

Larry

Who will grant, that the offered documents are real. Remembering seeing thousends of blank forms in the abandoned factory. Is there any official statement of Isabella DeTomaso to prove that you are the official beholder of the archiv? And what about the archive in Switzerland and the documents "Silvestro" sold on eBay?

Nobody ask you to buy anythings, nobody...
With all documents beeing show everywhere, here or Facebook, real owners known.
Bye

This didn't answer the question, or??

As my time is precious, I will not respond anymore to the negatives person who have no life.
I prefer to spend my time for real lovers, owners of Pantera who understand my vision, for the other, if you want to attack me, dont do it on internet, ask for a rdv , meet me and attack me in front of me.
And if you dont known me, just buy my de Tomaso book, you will understand my passion for the brand

quote:

Originally posted by Olczyk:
he defends the thesis that the documentation of a car is an essential element of its value at least as important = YES, I defend this
If you had the Elvis Pantera documented , you will sell it at Hemmings for 65 000 $ or at RM for 1 million

This is of course true for the Elvis Pantera and the few dozen others who have a particular story, but for ALL others what is the interest of knowing that they were sold new by Bill's garage to John Smith of a small town in the midle of the Midle West, then resold to his neighbor who sold it himself to the concierge of his cousin who sold it to ?????? to finally land at the dealer to whom I bought it? In what way does this knowledge and the documents proving it bring any added value to the car?

Here, a good message clever, of course, the story of Elvis is more valuable but if your car have the original invoice, original built sheet, it s better for the value of it as perfectly documented.
Always better to buy a car very well documented, if you had the choice, you buy a car that nobody known nothing or a car that you known everythings ?

quote:

Originally posted by Olczyk:...
And if you dont known me, just buy my de Tomaso book, you will understand my passion for the brand

I have the book! read every word and studied each photo. Thanks

AND, I would buy a book that was just factory documents.........(hint, if it was complete)

Thank you sir

quote:

Originally posted by Olczyk:
Always better to buy a car very well documented, if you had the choice, you buy a car that nobody known nothing or a car that you known everythings ?

Frankly? If they are the same price and in the same condition or with a VERY VERY small difference, the one with the documentation, but I'm really not ready to spend money to know that it is Gino who mounted the right front wheel and Mario the back left brake.

But I belong to this category of people, and I'm not the only one on this forum, which when he buys a vintage car restores it himself from A to Z and so a few months later, I could fill the built sheet myself.

quote:

Originally posted by LF - TP 2511:
From the terms of service, a link can be found at the bottom of each page, for this forum:

“Vendors are welcome to use the Community News Forum to inform members about Pantera or De Tomaso specific parts or services available. Vendors may post questions aimed at the general forum membership in Alejandro's Neighborhood Pub forum.”

Larry

I'm the author of that excerpt. Use is one thing, but at some point excessive use becomes abuse of privilege. I am not happy how Phillippe started this under the guise of registrar but as it turns out that was merely a smokescreen for his true intentions to simply sell documents. This whole thing could have been presented in a much more straight forward and honest manner and saved us about 8 pages of bombast and drama. My patience is wearing thin. I think we've read enough, everyone knows what he has for sale, if there's more he hasn't mentioned yet its his own fault, he's had more than enough time to provide full disclosure. Phillippe if you want to continue to reach this market, I think you and I need to discuss a banner ad privately before you post anything else publicly.

Lock the thread. Time to pay the piper. LOL

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Originally posted by Candy2862:

If I agree with Philippe Olczyk's idea of having the "Official De Tomaso Heritage", I wonder if Philippe Olczyk is the best or most competent person to run this ? ... I do not think that Mr. Olczyk is the person who is capable of well representing, with total absence of conflict of interests, and in total serenity, the Official de Tomaso Heritage

Patrick
Candy 2862, ADA 9628, Carbon 3679

That quote was from 2010.

I would like to add that I've heard from "a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy" that the documents that are the topics of this thread were removed from the De Tomaso factory without the permission or knowledge of anyone from the De Tomaso family.

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Originally posted by The Reaper:
I would like to add that I've heard from "a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy" that the documents that are the topics of this thread were removed from the De Tomaso factory without the permission or knowledge of anyone from the De Tomaso family.

That story feels believable. If untrue; the origin of the documents should be shared along with a receipt for purchase.