Each invoice have many pantera 10 or 20 cars with chassis/engine number and color.
Theses original factory invoices will be perfect for someone who want to make a certificate for pantera owners
Phillippe

In the automotive sense your business cannot be a registry until a few owners register their cars with you. Registries document the production specifics, and track the ownership of collectible cars. Is that what you want to do? Doing so requires hard work, a spirit of public service, and a long-term commitment to this community of owners. You could describe your business as a budding registry if this is your plan, if not it would be best described as a repository of documents. Perhaps better named the "De Tomaso Repository".

As far as being official, if Santiago or Isabella De Tomaso were to introduce you as representing them, or having their support in your effort, I would honor that for the fact that I respect them. That would be one path towards becoming official; the quick and easy path. It is not enough for somebody to have the same last name as the founder of the company. The Italian phone book is full of people with the last name Ferrari. I have the same last name as the vice president of the united states, but I do not represent him in any capacity.

The other path towards becoming official is by being accepted by a great number of owners as being a valuable part of their community, earning their trust, proving your value to them, exhibiting your commitment to them. Think of the word official as being synonymous with the word accepted. This requires diligence, patience, hard work, and the passing of time. This is how Chuck Melton earned his position as registrar.

To barge into our community like a bull in the china closet and announce yourself as the "official registry" is not how things are done; it is an unreasonable expectation. It lacks respect and humility. It has the appearance of mendacity. It will not win you any support or make you any friends.
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I certainly concur with George.

As a suggestion, a great way to get off on the right foot might be to help shed some light on the enigma of the “Pantera Plus” discussions.

If you can provide some insight into the provance of VIN 4829, you could be doing the community a valuable service.

In addition, with more information disclosed, the documents you hold may actually be highly desirable for the owner of the car.... it could be a win-win for both of you.


Just a suggestion for consideration.....

Rocky
How many of you remember hearing how the brilliant folks at Ford headquarters tossed all the Pantera program documents into dumpsters, and even destroyed the body panel press molds? So much for historic documentation of the Ford aspects of the Pantera or accurate replacement panels.

Remember when we all saw the photos of the abandoned DeTomaso factory, with parts, prototypes, papers by the thousands and numerous unknown items strewn hither-yonder? Just like Detroit, Modena trashed irreplaceable Pantera history.

The forum member who started this thread is a European resident who joined this forum in 2004, but who has made less than 200 postings since joining.

He has let us know a friend and he are in possession of multiple DeTomaso factory build sheets and related documents, and that the documents "are available for the owners".

They have created a website and a Facebook presence, but both are very minimal in content. But of course everything has to have a starting point; perhaps more content will be added in the coming months? (Website does have a lot of good photos, though.)

Their website is "RegisterDeTomaso.com" and this thread uses "registry De Tomaso". As English is not their native language, I wonder if the registry/register terms used by them may not accurately convey to native English speakers what they are intending to convey. I do know their English is a lot better than my Italian.

I'm not sure what their business model is regarding the documents they say are "available to owners". Perhaps they are benevolent souls who intend to send, free-of-charge, copies of pertinent factory documentation to owners; more than likely, obtaining copies of documents will involve an exchange of funds for the documents provided. I'm sure the coming weeks will provide some clarity and specifics regarding just what this venture is all about.

In the meantime, perhaps we could ponder just where would someone get such an idea to sell factory documentation of specific cars to their owners?

Wink

Larry

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Dear All, you miss 2 points

Who wrote the official De Tomaso book with the archives of the factory ?
I was in Modena 6 months opening all the boxes and receive full suport and help by the De Tomaso family, then I have more than anyone the right to transfert my archives to internet

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Last point, it s a lie with the 5 K euro quote story, A LIE
All the factory papers show a GTS with 10 Inch wheels, nothing more and he can buy the docs for 500 Euro, but prefer to believe his story, this is why theses valuables documents are important, as they represent the truth against the fantasy.
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Originally posted by Olczyk:
Second point, I do not think that people have read all explanation from facebook page, you should


I would hope you will put the same explaination on webpage as I do not have access to FaceBook

Are you selling the original documents?
Are you going to scan and make information from those documents available.
I think It would be a great lost if the original documents are distrubuted to collections and thus the information contain hoarded away from public
we have bought the complet archives from the factory from 1959 until 2004 who can be available to everyone (just provide your chassis number and we will be able to provide you originals invoices to dealer with chassis number , engine number, reparations, invoices from body shop, homologation papers etc etc

Blueprint + drawings for all the race cars and cars are available

Vallelunga

Mangusta, chassis and engine number

Pantera, chassis and engine number

Deauville, chassis and engine number

Longchamps, chassis and engine number

Maserati Barchetta, chassis and engine number

Guara, chassis and engine number

Bigua

As we bought the complet office archives De Tomaso, we have also invoices from Vignale, Ford, Campana, all the suppliers of the factory

Tomaso never threw anything, so imagine what we found in papers, family trust papers, family real estate papers, dealer contracts, suppliers, disputes, lawyer's letters, Qvale Mangusta business, all projects De Tomaso and Maserati, Benelli, Guzzi.

The Vallelunga 2000 with 2200 cc Turbo engine and 6 speed gearbox
The Maserati prototypes, De Tomaso, the designers who worked for De Tomaso and Maserati

Maserati has developed a 750cc engine for Guzzi

We have in the boxes, the life of the factory De Tomaso and we were very lucky, because the administrator had cleaned the factory and had everything thrown in the trash. It took the relevance of a worker who brought everything home and sold it to us

As an automotive expert who saw the archives would say, he simply tells us.

You are now the guardian of the De Tomaso story

P.S Of course, we dont work for free, like everybody here
My “interest” would be the drawings/blueprints for the Pantera. I would have NO interest in acquiring originals, but only in high resolution electronic copies. Would a catalogue of such be part of your marketing plan?

I feel the dispersal of original drawings to individuals without prior coping and making available to others is a lost to the Marquee.
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i have so many...
for what ?, body, interior, engine, suspensions ?


would that be Original of copy?
will each be offered/sold seperately?

I would think compiling the available blueprint scans into the format that greatly expand the already available parts books would be a start

For example, One blueprint that was recently sold on ebay, its title shown in pic...How much for a high resolution copy of it?

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The picture is meant in humor.


Yes, it s funny, I agree, you should ads, Junk and Historicals documents
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Olczyk, Let me make a suggestion if you will. You bought the DeTomaso Paperwork for a certain price? Right? Ok, then you should come up with a cost that is reasonable based on how much you paid for the documents. Each invoice should be copied and then sold to whomever requests it for a small fee. The original documents should be kept together as a historical catalog of documents. This way the value of the catalog is also maintained. A small fee of say $15-$30 would make sense to me to obtain copies.

Also, I think George (Cowboy as you call him) should be paid a small fee for each document sold thru this forum.

Just my 2 Cents.
George, I think you should re-re title this thread. It’s not a registry, it’s ARCHIVES, and it is quite real. Phillippe bought the collection from Marcel Schaub. Marcel told me the collection was far from complete, but he did have a LOT of information on a lot (but not all) non-US cars.

The data on US cars is sparse. They were all built to a single standard (which changed over time of course) and the only documentation De Tomaso kept was the shipping and sales invoice to Ford. It’s really more of a customs requirement. I bought a copy of the document for my own car from De Tomaso when I visited with Fred Phillips in 2013. Mine lists something like 25 cars by serial number (not all in sequence, but in the same general neighborhood), and listed the color and engine number of each car, and a total price for the shipment.

Interesting conversation piece to have....

FWIW Marcel was asking 125,000 Euros for this collection. Fred tried to buy it but wouldn’t pay that much. One can only guess what Philippe had to pay but suffice it to say, it wasn’t cheap! So if you think that he is asking an unreasonable amount to share the info he has, realize it will take a thousand years to make back his investment, most likely.

Lashdeep Singh bought a smaller collection of similar documents on 9000-series cars from a source in Italy. He likewise paid a fortune and it will be difficult for him to recoup his investment, even if he charges a lot for the info he has to each individual....

Nobody (except maybe Marcel!) ever got rich selling De Tomaso parts, magazines, or information.....
We live in a strange world..

Lies, mistakes, misinformation

Even if I known Marcel very well, I t s been 5 years minimum that I did not see him )

I did not bought the archives from him...

To give you a exemple, I have 380 built sheet for Mangusta out of 400 cars

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And registerdetomaso.com is the register for all races cars, informations who come from my archives that I receive from the factory when I made the official book ...
And a other big news very soon

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For Pantera blueprints/drawings….

Are you selling the originals separately as memorabilia?

OR

Will you make and sell high resolution copies?

I personally am not interested in memorabilia, but in the technical information in building the Pantera. Therefore, access to ALL available drawings would be desired. A CD like the POCA “the Works” would be great. Purchasing separate drawings would be like buying a single page of the Ford Parts Book.

You make mention to FaceBook. I don’t do facebook, period. So could you share what your intent concerning the distribution of your acquired great archives
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Originally posted by Olczyk:

To give you a exemple, I have 380 built sheet for Mangusta out of 400 cars


What are the highest 4 Serial numbers for Mangusta files you have?
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Originally posted by Mike Drew:
George, I think you should re-re title this thread. It’s not a registry, it’s ARCHIVES, and it is quite real. Phillippe bought the collection from Marcel Schaub. Marcel told me the collection was far from complete, but he did have a LOT of information on a lot (but not all) non-US cars.

The data on US cars is sparse. They were all built to a single standard (which changed over time of course) and the only documentation De Tomaso kept was the shipping and sales invoice to Ford. It’s really more of a customs requirement. I bought a copy of the document for my own car from De Tomaso when I visited with Fred Phillips in 2013. Mine lists something like 25 cars by serial number (not all in sequence, but in the same general neighborhood), and listed the color and engine number of each car, and a total price for the shipment.

Interesting conversation piece to have....

FWIW Marcel was asking 125,000 Euros for this collection. Fred tried to buy it but wouldn’t pay that much. One can only guess what Philippe had to pay but suffice it to say, it wasn’t cheap! So if you think that he is asking an unreasonable amount to share the info he has, realize it will take a thousand years to make back his investment, most likely.

Lashdeep Singh bought a smaller collection of similar documents on 9000-series cars from a source in Italy. He likewise paid a fortune and it will be difficult for him to recoup his investment, even if he charges a lot for the info he has to each individual....

Nobody (except maybe Marcel!) ever got rich selling De Tomaso parts, magazines, or information.....


I have great respect for Mike Drew, I have great respect for Mike Drew, but I have no idea where heget theses wrong infos.
Contact me by email Mike, thank
More Junk ....LOL

This Junk is just the inventario 1973 from the factory with all cars in stock with chassis number, not really interesting ...LOL

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I would like to apologize as I have made a mistake, I stupidly claim to have 380 builtsheet for Mangusta when in reality, I have 400.
Sorry for the mistake

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