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Doctors vs. Guns

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Doctors vs Gun owners


Doctors

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is
700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians
per year are 120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.


Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.



Now think about this:

Guns

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S.
is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths
per year, all age groups,is 1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths
per gun owner is .000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI


So, statistically, doctors are approximately
9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST
EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
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hustlerhustlerMember
This ratio comparison ignores incompetence and malicious intent. As a realist I have to point out a critical flaw in this comparison. The doctors "accidents" surely includes both of these while discharges from guns killing people clearly does not. Freedom to bear arms is great, but you can't deny that this freedom comes with sacrifices that are not beneficial to society.
plt-1plt-1Member
"At least when a patient dies under the care of a Doctor, the intent was not death".

"When someone dies from a firearm, the exact intent of the device has been fulfilled".

Are you saying that there has never been a doctor who has intentionally killed some one??.. Are you saying firearms are only for killing people??... What is the "exact intent" of a firearm?...

"but you can't deny that this freedom comes with sacrifices that are not beneficial to society".

The above statement is possibly the most rediculous statement I ever heard, I'm sure it MUST be a mistake.... Perhaps you should think that one through a bit more, or at all...
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lf-tp2511lf-tp2511Member
quote:
What is the "exact intent" of a firearm?...


You can use a chair as a step stool, but that isn't exactly what it was intended for.

You can use your wife's kitchen oven to bake and cure your powder coated suspension pieces, but that isn't exactly what it was intended for.

You can use a big pile of sinus medicine to make some methamphetamine to sell to the neighborhood speed freaks, but that isn't what it was exactly intended for.

And sure, you can use a firearm for target practice, but that isn't what it was exactly intended for.

You asked "What is the 'exact intent' of a firearm?"

A firearm's exact intent is to kill.

Larry
rapidrapidMember
One thing to consider is that many of those 80 million, have those guns with the intent to only kill game (Deer hunting for example), never with the intention of killing another human. So in theory would we have to ad in veterinary doctors and the accidental deaths to that figure? Also what about target shooting? I shot trap and skeet for years,with specialty shotguns made just for that sport. Those guns were not made for the intent of killing, but actually for sport. I am not trying to stir up more controversy, just giving points to consider.
plt-1plt-1Member
First let me say... I approach this conversation with a smile. Lets see if we can flush this out... Guns do not have an intent, people do. You simply cannot say that guns are made only to kill, it's just not true. That is a personal interpritation of a simple machine. What if you went out to your shop and saw your car door open, then you walked over there and a guy a foot taller than you, 30 pounds heavier and 20 years younger, looked down at you and said " I'm takin' this Pantera wether you like it or not".. Then he started weilding YOUR tire iron... What would run through your mind??.. I know, "Go ahead, take the car"... Not me, or most other prople. Most other people intuitivly would say... " I wish I had a gun right now"... There is no anti gun argument that stands the real world giggle test... You guys, please don't count off for spelling. I went to a unionized "progressive" public school...lol..
deniscdeniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
I'm really surprised at the 'accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups is 1,500' ... Now what would be the voluntary death or should the question be: persons shot at, or wounded, or killed by a firearm.... Wink We are no longer in the Old West yet popular culture TV, Playstation, XBox , Realife is twisting perception to desensitize the true danger of real firearms. I don't beleive the true meaning of the constitution is as represented today..
plt-1plt-1Member
Well, we all can agree, the constitution was written taking certain things for granted which are no longer true today. However, I would say it is the absolutly the wild west out there. Infact, far worse!.. You will wish you had a magnum w/a vented barrel and a laser sight if the wild west stops by your house... Or, what if some A-hole w/nothing to lose decides he wants your car, you can give him your car if you want to. He's not getting mine. It would be cool to live in a perfect world, I'm with you there. It would also be cool to live in space on a killer planet or to live in the "rock candy mountains". But, unfortunately thats not the way it is. You must be ready to protect yourself and your family, you may only get one chance to save a loved one or an innocent person. Thats just one guys opinion....
deniscdeniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
PLT-1 Sorry I was not aware that it was that bad in Florida.
Canada is a much more peaceful place. Yes, there may be pockets were gangs can be found but overall I would say a place where 'you would not be worried to let your wife walk alone at night' - Gary Carter.
Why is the 'threat level' so high?
My neighbour is the chef marshall for Canada1 and has explained how your president (sorry your last president) was always on very high alert.. Hell you should see the US embassy here in Ottawa, they have barricades in the middle of the street. Totally unwaranted in this country.
davidbdavidbMember
Well, this is an interesting topic. It really had nothing to do with Panteras until you inclded the threat of that guy with the tire iron.

But actually, that guy would probably grab your gun, shoot you and your kids and then take your cat. Then the number would be 1503.

And Denis, there are more guns per capita in Canada than in the US. We just don't shoot people as often. So maybe "intent" has something to do with how and where you live.
D detom (Guest)
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Originally posted by David B:
Well, this is an interesting topic. It really had nothing to do with Panteras until you inclded the threat of that guy with the tire iron.

But actually, that guy would probably grab your gun, shoot you and your kids and then take your cat. Then the number would be 1503.

And Denis, there are more guns per capita in Canada than in the US. We just don't shoot people as often. So maybe "intent" has something to do with how and where you live.


Absolutely David. Car jackings are when people who are too lazy to break into your car when you are not there and steel it, walk up to you when you are stopped at a traffic light, shoot you in the head, open your door and drag your body out, then get in your still running car and drive away. It happens here in Memphis all the time. It realy isn't the guns. It is the people who we have to live with down here who do most all the killng. It was once pointed out that there was less violence in Bagdad than in Detroit. Probably even more so today.
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
Mark Twain said it best:

"There are three types of lies. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics."

This is from "truthorfiction.com":

quote:

This email is obviously the humorous creation of a gun enthusiast.

We don't know when it was written but not all of the statistics appear accurate.

According to the U.S. Department of Health Services there were about 780,000 licensed physicians in the United States in 2008, so that figure seems good.

Finding statistics that everybody agrees with regarding deaths caused by doctors is a little more difficult. Dr. J. Mercola released a book in 2000 titled Doctors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year. His breakdown, however, largely focuses on errors in hospitals and includes 12,000 deaths by unnecessary surgery, 7,000 due to medication errors in hospitals, 20,000 due to other errors in hospitals, 80,000 from infections in hospitals, and 106,000 from the negative effects of medications.

Regarding gun owners, figures from 2002-2001 from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives said there are 294 million gun owners in the U.S., a much higher figure that that quoted in the email.

According to the National Rifle Association there were 776 accidental deaths from firearms in 2000, a lower figure than in the email.

That's all interesting to know but the premise of the email is weak and, as we said, mostly aimed toward humor. Comparing doctor deaths to accidental firearm deaths is meaningless, especially because doctors are dealing with people who are sick in the first place, some of whom are at high risk for death or have gone through high risk medical procedures.


And continuing on with statistics...

Wikipedia states that gun ownership per capita in the USA is 90 per 100 residents. In Canada the number is 31.5 per 100 (same rate as Sweden). But even so we do tend to use them with much less frequency up here. It's hard to aim properly when you're freezing your nuts off.

I love these threads.

Mark
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