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Engine Numbers & GTS Wheel Arches

P peterfenlonMember
Another brand new owner in search of answers if possible.

my car 3840 has a different engine than in the vin plate. Original motor is 03287, but the one in the car is number 00713. Is this a much earlier engine thats been fitted? Also the flared riveted arches pose another question, which model cars were fitted with them?

My car is I hope on its way from New york so I hope it will be here before xmas. best Peter
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bosswrenchbosswrenchMember
Probably a replacement engine block. A lot can happen in 42 years.... An OEM block is only valuable if you're building a totally stock show car. As for the rivited fiberglas flairs, they were used as-stock on the U.S-only GTS varient and on many others as add-ons in a number of sizes. Are the stock fenders underneath cut for extra tire clearance? Many were added on cosmetically including on the stock U.S. GTS. If your machine happens to be a U.S-only GTS, it will have 'GTS' in the serial number, but I think your serial number is a '72 pre-L (chrome bumper) and all real U.S GTS were '73-'74 L models.
P peterfenlonMember
quote:
Originally posted by Quickitty:
Hi Peter
Congrats on the new Pantera.
Can you post a picture?

I havent a clue how to post a picture, but if you google Gullwing autos in New York, my pantera is on their website as Sold, and there are lots of pictures, maybe too many. I had one 30+ years ago with these riveted flares and assumed they were only on European car models thanks for the input though, Pete
joulesjoules"Racing is Life, anything before or after is just waiting" - Steve McQueen
Hi Peter,

As discussed on another thread your new Pantera is a true Euro GTS, so the riveted flares are factory correct on this car. From the photos though it does appear to not have the correct width Campi wheels which would have been 10" rear and 8" front (standard Pantera's were 8" rear and 7" front).

For those interested here's the link to Gullwing sold inventory for the car;

http://www.gullwingmotorcars.c...ra-coupe-c-1020.htm?

When you refer to engine number it is worth establishing if you are looking at the hand stamped number on the rear of the block or the last digits of the Ford engine #? The engine ID plate near the VIN plate refers to a hand punched number on the rear of the block, which unlike many other makes of the period bears no resemblance to the Ford engine #.

Julian
P peterfenlonMember
quote:
Originally posted by Joules:
Hi Peter,

As discussed on another thread your new Pantera is a true Euro GTS, so the riveted flares are factory correct on this car.

When you refer to engine number it is worth establishing if you are looking at the hand stamped number on the rear of the block or the last digits of the Ford engine #? The engine ID plate near the VIN plate refers to a hand punched number on the rear of the block, which unlike many other makes of the period bears no resemblance to the Ford engine #.

Julian


I shall look at that when it lands in England, but thank you for your post I don't know if I can copy and paste pics on the forum but here goes
http://www.gullwingmotorcars.c...era-coupe-c-1020.htm
P peterfenlonMember
quote:
Originally posted by Joules:
Hi Peter,

As discussed on another thread your new Pantera is a true Euro GTS, so the riveted flares are factory correct on this car. From the photos though it does appear to not have the correct width Campi wheels which would have been 10" rear and 8" front (standard Pantera's were 8" rear and 7" front).

For those interested here's the link to Gullwing sold inventory for the car;

http://www.gullwingmotorcars.c...ra-coupe-c-1020.htm?

When you refer to engine number it is worth establishing if you are looking at the hand stamped number on the rear of the block or the last digits of the Ford engine #? The engine ID plate near the VIN plate refers to a hand punched number on the rear of the block, which unlike many other makes of the period bears no resemblance to the Ford engine #.

Julian

I missed your link ! thank you for posting it though Peter
push1267push1267Member
Suburb.

I think the placement of the scripts on the rear panel changed with the design of the scripts. The first maybe 300 early, early cars like yours and mine have the tiny scripts, and they sit higher at the top of the panel from the factory.

I agree with Julian, that Peters newly aquired pantera has all the characteristics of a genuine euro GTS, except for the missing 10" rears
P peterfenlonMember
well thats most of my questions answered, and thanks to all for the input. The MSC Lousanne is to arrive in Bremerhaven at 2am this morning to unload, then its off to Felixstowe in England on 31 December. it all be ready for me to collect about a week later. SF's comment about the wheels was interesting indeed. but when did the factory pop rivet the spats on the car, they do it no favors in the looks department, a happy new year to all too. Peter.
S stelios101Member
Hi Peter,
I too have just imported a Pantera from the States, mine arrived at Thamesport on Oct 1st so I may be able to give you some pointers.
I notice you said you will go and pick you car when it arrives, I considered this but decided to go down the route of having the car delivered to my house on a transporter this allowed me to check the car over prepare it for M.O.T as you will not be able to drive without number plates, also be aware that all DVLA local offices are now closed so you will have to apply online and the inevitable errors will be made, you can naturally pay your shipper to do this for you at a cost, but I wanted to carry out this process myself.
If you need any help pm me I would be happy to help in any way I can.
Kind Regards
Stelios
davidbdavidbMember
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but when did the factory pop rivet the spats on the car, they do it no favors in the looks department


Nice looking car, Peter. Congrats! I can feel your excitement.

As for the "spats" there are a lot of options there. You can paint them, remove, replace or modify them.

Not sure from those pics, but the car looks like it's sitting a little high. Maybe you can remove the old shock spacers which will lower it some.

Then try on the 10" rear wheels and those riveted flares might look great.
ducatistaducatistaMember
Hi,
Congrats on your pantera. Best way to get the history is to use the plate number from Torino on the front of the car, the "motorizzazione civile" in Italy can do a search for a modest fee. By the way those "black" plates are original fron the 1960 to the end of the 1970's only for Italian cars, it would be a "prima immatricolazione" or first plate given that the car was in the US. All except for the dash goes for it being a GTS Euro version. You may want to call RS corse in Modena as they own the original archives from the factory. I have an early pushbutton but owned a 73 GTS with 72 numbers while in Italy and came from factory with the 8 and 7 on arriva tires.
Cheers!

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