So, the new Boss parts are now available on FRPP.
Here's the intake:
http://www.fordracingparts.com...p?PartKeyField=12559
It looks like it may fit backwards, if the ports are symmetrical.
Here's a picture of the underside of the stock intake. You can also see other components of the engine at the bottom of the page.
http://www.mustang50magazine.c...engine/photo_53.html
http://www.mustang50magazine.c...engine/photo_53.html
Corey, (or anyone who has done the 4.6 swap)
Is the length of the 4.6, or the Coyote similar to the 351C? Does it take the same amount of room sticking into the cab, or is it, perhaps, shorter--allowing one to not need the bubbled engine hatch? It seems like reclaiming that room in the cab might be an additional advantage.
Is the length of the 4.6, or the Coyote similar to the 351C? Does it take the same amount of room sticking into the cab, or is it, perhaps, shorter--allowing one to not need the bubbled engine hatch? It seems like reclaiming that room in the cab might be an additional advantage.
Yes, the 4.6 swaps allow for a flat bulkhead.
Here's a like to a 4.6 DOHC swap, with some better info:
http://home.earthlink.net/~rlbpantera/
The 5.0 Coyote is definitely more advanced and more powerful, yet lighter and more compact than the 4.6 DOHC Modular.
Here's a like to a 4.6 DOHC swap, with some better info:
http://home.earthlink.net/~rlbpantera/
The 5.0 Coyote is definitely more advanced and more powerful, yet lighter and more compact than the 4.6 DOHC Modular.
Mark,
Awesome comes to mind -- along with easy starts every time and smooth running; most of the time.
I just wonder what the Coyote cylinder head will be as I do not know if the blocks are exactly the same as the 4.6; but they may very well be. Going from 4.6 to 5.0 is not much of a stretch after all.....
Best of luck -- looks great.
Mark
Awesome comes to mind -- along with easy starts every time and smooth running; most of the time.
I just wonder what the Coyote cylinder head will be as I do not know if the blocks are exactly the same as the 4.6; but they may very well be. Going from 4.6 to 5.0 is not much of a stretch after all.....
Best of luck -- looks great.
Mark
If flipping the intake is the problem, why not stick to a carb. intake. GM has an LS3 with carburation intake, and MSD stand alone kit, that brings another 120 BHP on EFI.
http://www.barleyauto.com/GM_Engine_Showcase.html
http://www.barleyauto.com/GM_Engine_Showcase.html
Or just go with the ls376/480. 480HP, 475Lbs torque. 410 pounds. Fits great and best price/performance around. 6.2 of smooth running power and affordable. The carb version is 515hp.
I'm not really interested in the LS motors, but it sounds like it works great. I give credit to GM for keeping the simple pushrod motor.
The new 5.0 Coyote has great potential, given that the motor has been under-rated already. It weighs 440 lbs, and tuners are increasing horspower up to the 470 range already.
Being mostly a guy who likes Fords, I'm gravitating to a Ford-related option. As far as good bang-for-the-buck, I find it hard to compete with the Cleveland in the Pantera, honestly. If you want fuel injection, better reliability, longevity, etc, then you can open the doors to quite a few other options.
On Sunday, my brother offered to give me his supercharger from his '08 Shelby GT500. He has the larger supercharger on it already. I don't know how the supercharger could be used.
The new 5.0 Coyote has great potential, given that the motor has been under-rated already. It weighs 440 lbs, and tuners are increasing horspower up to the 470 range already.
Being mostly a guy who likes Fords, I'm gravitating to a Ford-related option. As far as good bang-for-the-buck, I find it hard to compete with the Cleveland in the Pantera, honestly. If you want fuel injection, better reliability, longevity, etc, then you can open the doors to quite a few other options.
On Sunday, my brother offered to give me his supercharger from his '08 Shelby GT500. He has the larger supercharger on it already. I don't know how the supercharger could be used.
Drop the car, motor, and major parts off at my place and I will put it in just to do it. If I can design and fabricate a supercharger system for a Mark VIII motor and stuff it in a Pantera, the Coyote should be a breeze.
good morning guys...im just jumping in here like i own the place...but i would love to see you keep this thread going. its self serving. I have a teksid-based 4.6 with downdraft efi mocked up for my 72...I agree the 5.0 is a gonna be a great motor. is a great motor...im just thinking the aftermarket support has some catching up to do. i guess it depends if you want a stock-ish setup. Im looking for 475 horse or so, so im going at least stroked, maybe overbored, with some compression, aftermarket heads and cams, and stand alone efi...i dont think the coyote is there yet, but it will be soon. and if it is there, its gonna be REALLY expensive to do. thats my initial reaction...
If my rebuild on my 351C came apart I would seriously consider doing a conversion like Scott's ZO6 Pantera. I know this is probably blasphemy to the true Pantera purist but I have always have had a fondness for the Chevy motor.
With that said, I guess going with anything besides a 351C would be blasphemy to a true Pantera purist even if it was a Ford modular.
With that said, I guess going with anything besides a 351C would be blasphemy to a true Pantera purist even if it was a Ford modular.
quote:Originally posted by Garvino:
If my rebuild on my 351C came apart I would seriously consider doing a conversion like Scott's ZO6 Pantera. I know this is probably blasphemy to the true Pantera purist but I have always have had a fondness for the Chevy motor.
With that said, I guess going with anything besides a 351C would be blasphemy to a true Pantera purist even if it was a Ford modular.
Yes, it seems blasphemy to consider, but there have been dozens of cars converted to modular and windsors, probably dozens converted to big blocks, and dozens converted to other engines like BMW, GM LS, Ford FE big blocks, etc.
I realize that the 351 Cleveland is a good 40-year-old motor, but technology keeps getting better. Plus, Ford hasn't made 351 Cleveland blocks in nearly 30 years, and they will probably continue to become scarcer.
On the other hand, the Coyote is designed for longevity, power, direct injection and turbocharging/supercharging. Ford sees the coyote powerplant as a long-term investment, which probably means 10 to 20 years of production.
I'm thinking that my son will want a little more modern engine when he inherits the car, but I've also realized that the engine may decrease the value at some future point.
Has anyone seen this kit for the LS3?
http://paceperformance.com/i-6...charger-package.html
638HP. Pretty awesome engine setup for Around 13 grand.
Chris Bell
http://paceperformance.com/i-6...charger-package.html
638HP. Pretty awesome engine setup for Around 13 grand.
Chris Bell
I agree with Corey on the technology of new motors and also the scarcity of 351C parts. When I rebuilt my 351C I was a little shocked on how expensive parts were. I also was shocked at how hard it was to find some pretty basic stuff.
A Pantera purist may think you have devalued your car with a Coyote motor. However, look at all the restomoded 67 Camaros & Mustangs that have been converted to modern drivetrains that still demand big money when they come up for sale in this economy.
I did not buy my Pantera to make a ton of money on it. I did buy it to enjoy it and drive it (if I ever get it finished). I also felt that I could rebuild my car and not end up too upside down in it.
From what I have seen the decent Panteras seem to hold there value. I know that every once in a while a fluke auction deal shows up and shocks all of us at how relatively inexpensive it went for, but I feel overall that they seem to stay pretty consistent.
I say go for the Coyote if that is what your heart desires.
A Pantera purist may think you have devalued your car with a Coyote motor. However, look at all the restomoded 67 Camaros & Mustangs that have been converted to modern drivetrains that still demand big money when they come up for sale in this economy.
I did not buy my Pantera to make a ton of money on it. I did buy it to enjoy it and drive it (if I ever get it finished). I also felt that I could rebuild my car and not end up too upside down in it.
From what I have seen the decent Panteras seem to hold there value. I know that every once in a while a fluke auction deal shows up and shocks all of us at how relatively inexpensive it went for, but I feel overall that they seem to stay pretty consistent.
I say go for the Coyote if that is what your heart desires.
Cool set up! Mount the super charger backwards and run it with a jack shaft?
quote:Originally posted by Cuvee:
Cool set up! Mount the super charger backwards and run it with a jack shaft?
You probably meant the LS motor.
The Coyote is similar in length to the 4.6 modular since they share the same bore spacing. People have supercharged the 4.6 and 5.4 in the Pantera and it works just fine driven from the crank.
On a different note, I see that companies are claiming a gain of 30 rear wheel horsepower with long-tube headers and an X-pipe on 2011 Mustang GT's with the 5.0 Coyote. A custom re-programming or "tune" will net around 10 hp. Seeing that the motor appears underrated given the rear wheel dyno numbers, I think one could expect 470+ flywheel horsepower in a Pantera, maybe a little more with the fancy Boss intake. Superchargers are putting the motor past 600 hp.
I found someone who has access to the 5.0 Coyote crate motor! Dimensions may follow. Maybe just dementia...
We should be able to see if it's going to fit. Maybe I can slick talk him into removing the manifold to see if it will turn 180 degrees, but that's probably just pushing it. With these two key pieces of info, we could have a 470+ HP 5.0 motor in a Pantera!
We should be able to see if it's going to fit. Maybe I can slick talk him into removing the manifold to see if it will turn 180 degrees, but that's probably just pushing it. With these two key pieces of info, we could have a 470+ HP 5.0 motor in a Pantera!