For Sale: Group 4 and 5S

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Originally posted by ItalFord:

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I agree. Ferrari people find Panteras so degrading.

Doug, Its not as bad as you make out to be here in So Cal. I used to go to Irvine C&C often with the Pantera, 575M, and the Bora. I don't think I was treated any differently.

I will say however, If I take any of the above cars to a local muscle car show no one even looks at them. (my mustangs they look at) I guess its all Italian crap to those old (by old I mean not open minded)American iron straight line guys.

I don't think that the Ferrari guys necessarily mean anything by it at all. They are just into their cars. If you watch them they are definitely floating around on endorphins. Been there...done that!

I will say that I got VERY uncomfortable at an Italian Car Day show I went to in Staten Island.

As far as friction between the makes, here it's always been that way. A guy at a car show with a Hemi something, (I could have sworn it was a Checker Cab) came over to break them on me with my Shelby and started on the roll bar. "Why would you ever conceivably need one in that car? It's a Ford isn't it?"

The Cobra guys would start with the Corvettes about "there is better fiberglass in a toilet seat than a Corvette", and on and on.

I was at Lime Rock Raceway once and was looking at a "Ferrari Daytonna 'Cabriolet'" parked unattended. The owner came running up to move it and says "do you even know what you are looking at?". (and he wasn't kidding with the attitude either) I said "yes, a 'Daytonna Convertible', I was trying to determine if it is factory or an 'aftermarket' car. Seems the original convertibles there are only 25 of and lots of people are making "copies" and want a million for the copies".

I don't think he liked that answer. He glared pretty hard at me. All 5'6" of him. Never did point out the serial number to show it was real or not?

I always liked Gary Hall. That kind of stuff never bothered him and he always made me feel welcome and relaxed and enjoyed all of the cars.

Look. Most car manufacturers are industrialists and they are competitive in a lot of different ways. It's like a NFL game between the Dallas Cowboys and the NY Giants.
I'll bet no one says, "excuse me for stepping on your toes or sorry? Why car owners pick sides I'm not sure.

The Steinbrenner family (who owns the Yankees) could care less what I think. "Just buy a ticket and go sit down".

Most of the time "I did something" to piss someone off, I never knew what it was. sometimes I just think it's because I'm breathing.

If you remember the story of the local cop looking at my Panteras engine and saying loudly "that's illegal!", that's a true story.

Maybe I'm just too sensative when people say these things to me? I'll admit it. When a woman tells me "drop dead", I get upset, I think she really means that?

LOL Doug I hope you don't "drop dead" maybe its a little different on the Right Coast.

I like Ferraris and drove a few, but always end up thinking "where's the beef?" But whenever I start up the modified Panteras & set off car alarms with neighbors yelling out the windows, then it always reaffirms, "there's the beef".

That's friggin hilarious.

I don't want to kill off any stereotypes, but there are several of us whom own Panteras as well as Ferraris.
Some of us even modify our Ferarris!
There are Ferrari "car" guys and Ferrari "lifestyle" guys. I find the "car" guys to generally be easygoing and helpful just like the Pantera guys. The "lifestyle" guys are another breed.
So Jan, I guess you aren't interested in working a trade with my 360 Spyder and "99 Proof" then?

Mike

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Originally posted by ktmike:
I don't want to kill off any stereotypes, but there are several of us whom own Panteras as well as Ferraris.
Some of us even modify our Ferarris!
There are Ferrari "car" guys and Ferrari "lifestyle" guys. I find the "car" guys to generally be easygoing and helpful just like the Pantera guys. The "lifestyle" guys are another breed.
So Jan, I guess you aren't interested in working a trade with my 360 Spyder and "99 Proof" then?

Mike

Don't get me wrong, I really do like Ferarris, and have never encountered any ill things from Ferrari owners. It's just that Panteras to me are so much more "bad boy" and just plain obnoxious, which suits me fine after wearing a stiff white shirt and tie all day. It's like riding a chopper, vs a fancy bike. Plus it seems Panteras tend to somehow retain the radical exotic look, whereas Ferrari to me looks somewhat dated as time passes. Even the 430 seems dated to me now, whereas three years ago I was considering one. Maybe it is the curvy style, or that I see them on the street and at shows all the time, but they have lost the big "umph" for me anyway, and can't quite put my finger on it. I think it is just the "Bad Boy" thing.

I hear that! I love 99 Proof and suspect that someday my GT5 Clone will become a GT5S clone.

It's fun to see how people react towards a person depending on which car they drive. Completely different demographic and attitude of people when I drive the Pantera (goofy and obnoxious) vs the Ferrari (asshole), and a very different reaction to the Aston Martin (understated and elegant). I'm sure you experience the same with your Mercedes'.

The Pantera is unique in that no matter the sex or demographic, it makes everybody that sees and hears it grin.

That being said, there are few things that are more fun than driving a mid-engined Ferrari (poorly in my case) around a race track.

Good luck with your sale, if I had less cars or more space I would definitely be interested.

Mike

If Pantera people have opinions about Ferrari people, isn't that reinforcing the stereotype? Look, we're all car people.

I've met Pantera jerks, Ferrari jerks, Corvette jerks... yet have been blessed to meet and know FAR more good 'car people' regardless of marque preference.

Back on topic -

Both Panteras are gorgeous machines, incredible detail work on each. I mean, it's unreal that one person has both! Why not just sell one and let the other become your sole Pantera lust? Would be curious what you're moving to from those great cars.

If you'd care to PM me your price 'range', I'd be discreet as you'd prefer. I know some people (including Ferrari people who are great folks) who've mentioned adding a Pantera.

No matter what, best wishes on the sale. Either car would be a proud addition to any garage.

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Originally posted by DOES 200:

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Originally posted by ktmike:
I don't want to kill off any stereotypes, but there are several of us whom own Panteras as well as Ferraris.
Some of us even modify our Ferarris!
There are Ferrari "car" guys and Ferrari "lifestyle" guys. I find the "car" guys to generally be easygoing and helpful just like the Pantera guys. The "lifestyle" guys are another breed.
So Jan, I guess you aren't interested in working a trade with my 360 Spyder and "99 Proof" then?

Mike

Don't get me wrong, I really do like Ferarris, and have never encountered any ill things from Ferrari owners. It's just that Panteras to me are so much more "bad boy" and just plain obnoxious, which suits me fine after wearing a stiff white shirt and tie all day. It's like riding a chopper, vs a fancy bike. Plus it seems Panteras tend to somehow retain the radical exotic look, whereas Ferrari to me looks somewhat dated as time passes. Even the 430 seems dated to me now, whereas three years ago I was considering one. Maybe it is the curvy style, or that I see them on the street and at shows all the time, but they have lost the big "umph" for me anyway, and can't quite put my finger on it. I think it is just the "Bad Boy" thing.

"Can't we all just get along?" -Rodney King. He's kiding right?

@ A Hudosn. I prefer to limit my comments not to stereotypes but to actual experiences. I once had an assistant tell me on the QT, "you have to forget this stuff. You remember too much."

Seems I've been stereotyped too. With the Shelby I was at a light and someone I went to High School with came around the corner, stopped and said, "what are YOU doing with 'THAT' ".

Then there was the guy who "pulled me over", like a cop would, against the curb and blocking me from leaving, rolling down the window and yelling, "hey, do you know what that is?"

I have nothing against Ferrari owners at all, they have ALWAYS been very respectful, but they could wind up being one of my customers (they can afford me) and having a better car than they do, like having a better car than your father, in these 'parts' is just not permissible. Shows disrespect and anti-social behavior here. A definite attitude on my part.

Ferari owners prefer to be left alone and mind their own business. (My observations so far). Just when they all get together at an Italian Car Day show, kinda' looks like they are choosing up sides. All them over there and you-z over here. Makes me nervous.


I guess the social relationships between these groups just varies according to where you are in the country? NY, Chicago, Dallas, Vegas, Miami, LA, all are noticeably different on how they relate to motor vehicles of any type. In some places they just have pickup truck days I'll bet?

Do I need to wear boots to that one or are my sneakers still acceptable? Anyone on that...

I just noticed this was my Pantera for sale post transformed to Ferrari chat...haha what the hey. Guy buying my Pantera with loan didn't go through, so, open for offers again. No one has cash anymore it seems. Ready to sell my Group4...bring it.

I grew up in Santa Ana, and really miss Southern California. Here's my site:

panteragts.com

I have always loved the Group IV's and couldn't bring myself to paint your fine fine car black. Can you please send me your asking price?

Nice video, Love the sound of that engine.
Very Cool!

Nice video. Nice sound. Sweet car.

Thanks. I will see if I can do another quick video next time I get it out, and get er up to 6,0000 RPM or so on a good stretch of road. I am not used to hammering it, but will give it a shot.

Looks like Long Island. Car is very quiet. I didn't see anyone running out in their PJ's and shaking their fists and yelling at you? Huh? What's with that?

I had a guy throw a garbage can in front of me?

Maybe he just wanted a ride?

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Looks like Long Island. Car is very quiet. I didn't see anyone running out in their PJ's and shaking their fists and yelling at you? Huh? What's with that?

I had a guy throw a garbage can in front of me?

Maybe he just wanted a ride?

Ha ha, with me it's just usually the neighbor shaking the fists while I warm up in the driveway. In sunny southern CA when I cruise the coast, all I get is foxy women flashing when I drive by. It seems more common when they are in groups of 4 or more. I have not figured out why that happens, but I ain't complaining. Much better than garbage cans.

That is the differences between the coasts? Uptown girls only like quiet Mercedes Benz. They don't like kit cars at all.

I was hoping to get prices on these. Any progress working that out? Thanks from afar.

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Originally posted by Livin' abroad - For a Broad:
I was hoping to get prices on these. Any progress working that out? Thanks from afar.

Sure, just shoot me over a price you are willing to pay.

Have a VW camper available like the one in the pic, willing to trade for the Group IV? Then you can enjoy your retirement and I can enjoy my dream car. Even the right color combo.