gt5-9189

What type of person would neglect a Pantera like this!?!?



Can you provide more info? Where is this Pantera located? Did you recently purchase this car will restore it? If you are, you've come to the right place.

Josh

It looks like it's going to be an interesting resto. Lots of luck with it!

Michael

ok guys. the car is in saudi arabia and had been abandoned on the accomodation compound i live on. the company wanted their parking space back the last owner had left over ten years ago so they were going to have the car removed for scrap !!!!!!
i ended up the owner and it cost me nothing. so it is now being slowly taken down to the last nut and bolt.

Wow! what a story, what a find. Good luck, hopefully the PI bulletin board will be a resource for you, as well as a place to hang with other owners.

George

Wow, at least you can still GIVE AWAY a white Pantera! But seriously, congratulations Mark (yet another Mark with a white Pantera...), I'm sure you're going to have a great time and an awesome car at the end of it. Sure can't beat the price, and I bet there's not a hint of rust anywhere in sight.

I (and many more, I'm sure) look forward to hearing your progress and helping if we can.

gt5,

Will obtaining a title, or some kind of ownership papers be a difficult proposition?

Michael

getting the papers will be the main problem in saudi arabia. i have the old plates and a bill of sale but both are over ten years old.i have however found out yesterday that a previous owner is now back in kingdom, used to own the car in the 80,s so there may be light at the end of the tunnel. as for there being no rust...i wish. the car is quite poor it will need new sills both inner and outer,some cretin has used the rear of the sills as jacking points and bent them quite bad ,the right hand a post and engine bulk head both need attention as will the bonnet front and the roof where the rear deck bolts on the rear deck has been repaired at some time as the rear wing is so heavy it made the deck crack. both floorpans and the hand brake mount also require attention, and having removerd the radiater yesterday i see that quite a bit of the front cross member is bent and rusty. still gives me something to do

Sounds like you have your hands full.

Welcome to the club!

Kevin

It's a great story! It's sad to see any car neglected like that, but especially such a unique one. Since you got it for a pretty reasonable price (lucky!!) it should mean that you have more cash leftover to restore it right.

Good luck!

We're all rooting for you over here! Post some resto pictures along the way.

Michael

Did you actually was those axles in your dishwasher??

Michael

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Originally posted by Cyboman:
Did you actually was those axles in your dishwasher??

Michael

sure, its an old one no longer used for dishes. great for getting all the grease and muck off but you must then strip and grease up then paint up your parts. it works real well

quote:

Originally posted by Cyboman:
We're all rooting for you over here! Post some resto pictures along the way.

Michael

thanks guys the car is now almost just a shell. i have to move it to get out the engine and box but thats about all that is still in the chassis. the shell is in very poor condition and needs extensive welding but i have plenty of time.

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Originally posted by Charlie McCall:
It's a great story! It's sad to see any car neglected like that, but especially such a unique one. Since you got it for a pretty reasonable price (lucky!!) it should mean that you have more cash leftover to restore it right.
hi mate for sure it will cost a bit in the end but at this moment in time its cost me nothing. must be the only one in the world who can say that. the car is now just a shell and will require months of welding while i clean up and repair all the other parts. gives me someting to do with my time. during the tear down i have found the car to of been at least 7 different colours, some people are just never happy ?

Good luck!

...Your question how to tell if this is a REAL GT-5? From what little I know; The 'Squared' wheel houses in the engine bay denote a GT-5. And is that a '302' Cubic Inch Engine? (I can't tell in the picture, if there is the PORT for the 'Oil Pressure Sender', in the rear of the block) OR did the 302 Engine, ONLY come in the much later 'Pantera 200' or SI ?? Anybody else know; correct me if I am wrong...

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Originally posted by MARLIN JACK:
...Your question how to tell if this is a REAL GT-5? From what little I know; The 'Squared' wheel houses in the engine bay denote a GT-5. And is that a '302' Cubic Inch Engine? (I can't tell in the picture, if there is the PORT for the 'Oil Pressure Sender', in the rear of the block) OR did the 302 Engine, ONLY come in the much later 'Pantera 200' or SI ?? Anybody else know; correct me if I am wrong...

hi there. did not know about the different type of panels in the engine bay, thought they were all squared off type. the engine has the oil sender in the front of the block. what makes me think it is not a gt-5 is that the front brakes are the standard type 2 set up but with solid disks not vented. it would be nice for my own mind to know the type of car i have.

gt5-9189, Marlin,

When deTomaso changed body manufacturers, the cars from the new one all came with the squared off rear wheel arches. These Panteras started with the 9000 chassis number. These cars were available as GTS, GT5, and GT5-S Panteras.

All Panteras came with 351C except the very last of the GT5-S's and the Si's. After '74, deTomaso had some left over US Clevelands which he used for a few years. After that, he used Austrailian built Clevelands until they ran out. Then he used a few 351 Winsdor truck motors in the last few GT5-S's. Only the Si came with the 5.0L (302) Mustang motors that deTomaso tweaked for more power.

Michael

gt5-9189,

GT5 and GT5-S Panteras are essentially the same Pantera with a different looking body. These cars had larger vented rotors and the GTS Panteras did not. There may have been a sway bar diameter difference as well. Can you measure yours?

I think that Roland (Pantera874) would probably know more about the differences between a factory GTS and GT5.

Michael

To add detail to the history provided by Michael: while Ford built Panteras they were contractually obligated to supply Panteras to deTomaso for the European market. Ford & the deTomasos parted company on Sept. 8, 1973. Ford stopped producing Panteras around July 1974, the last Pantera shipped to the US was chassis number 7380. Ford closed the deTomaso Automobili factory and sold the remaining unfinished coaches to Alejandro deTomaso, who opened another factory under the name deTomaso Modena and continued assembling GTS Panteras, at a much slower pace, using the coaches he purchased from Ford. Those cars have chassis numbers 7501 to <7700.

As the coaches purchased from Ford ran out (about 1976), deTomaso contracted Carozzeria Maggiora to manufacture GTS Pantera coaches. The relationship between Carozzeria Maggiora & deTomaso lasted less than 2 years. Those cars have chassis numbers 9001 to <9099.

After the relationship with Carozzeria Maggiora terminated, deTomaso contracted Carozzeria Embo in 1978 to manufacture Pantera coaches. Carozzeria Embo manufactured all the remaining Pantera coaches, including those of the Pantera Si. The coaches manufactured by Carozzeria Embo have chassis numbers 9101 to 9562, and 9601 to 9641 for the Pantera Si. For the first 2 years, Carozzeria Embo only produced GTS Panteras.

All the GTS, GT5 & GT5-S coaches manufactured by Carozzeria Embo have the squared off rear wheel houses.

your friend on the PIBB, George