Mangusta Headlight and sidelight position

This is 8MA1244, Euro car, first registered in Germany in 1972. It has Cibie headlamps and park bulb inside headlamp..  If your car has more than one of the following options I would suspect it was one of the Germany completed cars ( Cibie headlamps, floor mounted handbrake, roof mounted antennae, rear defrost, coin tray, Becker radio).

Thanks Denis, that's interesting. My car has been a race car for a while so there are a couple of boxes of the original parts not used in racing.  I've now decided (after my battles with FIA who wouldn't accept it as a GT car and said it must  race with Lolas, GT40's and Sports prototypes) I'm changing it back to a road car.  It definitely has a centre roof aerial although I thought the German finished cars had a Mercedes "umbrella" handbrake?  I'm pretty sure mine has a floor mounted handbrake which was taken off the car and is in one of the boxes. It may have the rear defrost switch that was covered in another post.

I had thought the Cibie headlights we're just replacements after a racing career.  Also there are a couple of photos of Mangusta's at night, and the sidelight / parking light is where the indicator is located showing white light not orange as a US car would. This picture is of a car in Oz so RHD and headlamps suitable for driving on left.  it has the white indicator light.  Car isn't with me but will check the Cibie part number unless anyone knows what it should be?

The wiring diagram I have is pretty useless to determine where the sidelight is wired.

I do not think "white indicators" were ever issued by the factory. The owners I have asked say they changed them from orange. But as SteveL says YMMV.  As to the wiring diagram, yes there may be a few subtle differences, but there is a very nice colour update done by mkeh.   see here :  Seeking Comments Regarding Our New Mangusta Wiring Diagram | The De Tomaso Forums (infopop.cc)

I’d completely forgotten that diagram which is far clearer and have now printed off in large format to use, thanks.

lots of things vary on Mangusta’s I’ve learned!!

Wow, what a brilliant video introduction of the Goose...absolutely beautiful. And the sound, geez the car feels alive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqHKUM3efRQ

I asked Dick Ruzzin (the one time I met him at the Concours Italiano in 2016, featuring the Mangusta) about the clear turn signals on his car...he said he just liked it better that way The clears were used for this lamp as reverse lights (that Carello lamp was used on just about every Italian car at one time in the 60's in some form or another).

As a US car, 8ma1028 as a Vin really falls into a 2-headlamp car, not a 4-headlight...So I'd be curious about other clues that it wasn't always a Euro car (English gauges may not be a help here, but whether there was a smog pump or rear marker lights may be a clue).

Btw, I missed the chance to identify the headlamps put on 8ma1046...and at 12k miles, they were probably the correct lamps for US 2-headlight cars. And knowing that they were probably a simple Sylvania sealed beam, on '1076 I went with a pair of genuinely old-from-a-Fiat Carello JODs...so even if not right, they look cool and if wrong, at least old! Lee

Les, if you look at the pic I posted the Euro headlamps are Cibie halogens.  At 7 o’clock position there is a small bulb that comes on when the park lights are activated.

Denis, pretty interesting--on your car, I suppose there is a Y-branch from the marker light (assuming that all cars always had front fender market lights). But yeah, the mark '981076' on the colorized diagram are the last vin numbers from M!kes/Nates/my car, but all US cars (and parts of US cars..!) between 898 and 1076--but neither did the 2 versions of the factory wiring diagram we saw  suggest a branch and neither did we have factual observations for such a new car (!). The newer wiring diagram we had (the Italian one, the Hall re-trace seems to be earlier) didn't answer the recent question about the window defroster switch, but specifically points to the "posizione"  lamp as the small Carello fixture (not the headlight).

And "clear" seems to be right for Euro cars...at least, see comments for Ghibli. Pictures in the "Ruiz" reference show the Fiat 850 style lamp with clear lens on front, over and over again...Lee

Larry, sorry I never replied the other day - elbows deep in Renaults in my spare time!

Our car has sidelights in the headlamp. 2 lamps are Carillo, 2 are non-branded aftermarket. I see Denis mentions German finsihed cars have Cibies - is this a certainty Denis? I'm a bit confused as with most things on these cars! I'll probably stick with Carello, although these suffer from 'vintage tax' and if Cibies were also fitted, I may look into those.

Here is the article.  As stated in it cars came incomplete, and were finished by the Distributor.  The short list of items are not definite identifiers but the more of those items (especially in the late cars). Points in the direction of the fact they are German completed cars.

Lee, regarding your question of 1028 maybe always being a Euro car, I'm thinking more and more it is.  It has it's original motor and has no smog pump nor rear marker lights. I've checked the original instruments tonight in the boxes and they are KPH speedo and Italian for Water and Oil. Central roof aerial.

is this the handbrake that is mentioned in the article?

Larry, if it is, it’s very different to our floor mounted one. Ours has a chrome handle and is very basic.

Here is a picture shown for at least the 230sl Pagoda lever...

Pic of the e-brake handle from 8MA1244, it is a tight fit.

Very tight!1

Just enough.