Mangusta Restoration work.....engine compartment

Many thanks for the complements! I am very pleased with the way it turned out.

To answer the questions, no, I did not vapour blast the box as I dont have the equipment, I took it to this man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1cwHdwDOvU Aluminium stays bright for a long time because it's peened by the tiny glass balls with no sharp edges. I did not coat it with anything. If it was my car I would have painted it and added matting agent to the clear. That way it stays nice for much longer and is easier to clean.

The carb is a Holley. I was not involved in building the engine only making it look pretty. Not all Mangustas came with the carb mounted backwards in my experience.
I found the strap for the jack so didn't have to make it.
I will get some Diavia stickers printed up and let you know.

Johnny

Johnny,

What an impressive job! I must say that in my opinion, your skills, ingenuity and resourcefulness and second to none. The interior restoration you did on 8Ma1294 was the nicest I have seen, and this works is at the same level. Truly impressive. Your fellow De Tomaso UK owners are lucky to have you nearby.

Great work and, as always, THANK YOU for doing such a great job sharing your expertise with us.

Mark

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I will get some Diavia stickers printed up and let you know.

Great!

The original owner of my Mangusta said he picked the car up at the factory and was offered a Holley as a performance option, which he took. I wonder if standard was the 4300 mounted backwards with a Holley as optional equipment?

Did all Mangustas come with a light in the engine compartment? Anyone know of a source for those?

Well done Jonny! Another magnificent job from the professor

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Originally posted by vyprgt2:

Did all Mangustas come with a light in the engine compartment? Anyone know of a source for those?

It is the same light as in the front trunk. Maserati used the same piece.

Denis

Hi Jonny, just saw the pics tonight, awesome job as expected!! Thanks for taking the time & effort to post these for everyone, really enjoy seeing quality work & your creative solutions - best regards, Nate

Thanks Denis,Richard,Doug,Mark,Geoff,Nate and others!

Johnny

I have only one comment on this tread:

Amazing!

Thank you for taking the time to share this with us

Excellent work again. Thanks for sharing.

Wow. That was a beautiful piece to read and enjoy. Great work - again!

Outstanding work!

And you probably spend as much time on posting pictures, as working on that car - thanks for taking the effort

Johnny, Thanks for taking the time to share your amazing work and talent. What enjoyment I get admiring your ideas,approach and taste shown in the pictures. I like your phrase "slightly over restored". All the best, Jim Coyne

Johnny,

What another fantastic restoration, your ingenuity and skills are almost from a bygone era. You definitely need to publicize this as much as possible, people should be queuing at your door for your services.

How many hours did you have in the restoration altogether?

Tell me more about the new shop, is it in S. Molton still?

Julian

Thanks Boys!

Julian, I dont know how many hours,a lot. Yes, my new workshop is just outside South Molton. I will PM you.

Johnny

Simply fantastic work, and very inspiring!
Thank you for sharing.

Martin

Wow! Once again, your work is too another level unseen.....

From one who went through about half of this pain in the engine compartment, great work!!! The only bad thing about this all, is that the first time you drive the car, is the last time it looks new...! Axle u-joints are unforgiving bastards......no matter how long ago it was that you greased them, they still manage to spooge black dots of grease with abandon...... won't talk about ZF lube....ugh! Price you pay for loving the hell out of driving the machine!

JB probably bought you a new tractor for all of this work....or a nice set of weather tight doors for the shop....or new roofing...or ....you get the picture!

Ciao!
Steve

Beautiful work Johnny!
Just as a bit of trivia, Diavia is still around. They are a Delphi (GM) company, and made the ac compressor in my Ferrari 360.
Mike

Thanks Martin, Steve, Mike. I always enjoy reading the comments.
Steve, I have no use for a tractor but would quite like an old one as a yard ornament. Mike, you are right, Diavia are still around!

Johnny

Amazing work and attention to detail Johnny! Thanks for taking the time to post all the photo's and descriptions of how you overcame various challenges. You're an inspiration to us all!

Thanks!
Garth
#4033 - the Banzai Runner

Thanks Garth.

Johnny

Johnny, all,

Just looked at this thread again....easy to do...and I noticed some bits that I had missed earlier!

This is the first car I have seen (or been able to see...) the clamps retaining the heater hoses to the firewall, and the clamp for the AC hose on the top of the compressor!

How did you finish the edges on the air cleaner tubing clamps???? Bead blasting or ??? Then plated? I was thinking some stainless....but hard to finish the edges...!

Ciao!
Steve

Hi Steve,

The clamps holding the water hoses to the bulkhead and the one on top of the AC compressor are correct.

I dont think the induction hoses where originally clamped to the air cleaner body but I felt it looked unfinished so I took some large stainless hose clamps and reduced the length and TIG welded them back together so that there was very little thread remaining, that way I could hide the thread and screw underneath. I then polished the top side of the clamp and ground the underside so that I could clue a strip of skinned neoprene that was slightly wider than the clamp to get it to bulge either side and look like it was meant to be there.

This is the type of skinned neoprene I use a lot in my restorations. It's very soft and fills gaps.

http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/...ed-sponge-strip.aspx

Johnny

Oops, I meant not the clamps at the air cleaner tube ends, but the "support" clamps that hold the paper tube up at mid points along the length!


Did you bead blast these and then have them dipped (galvanized etc?)

STeve

Hi Steve,

I made these clamps from mild steel and then had then yellow zinc plated. I finished them with a powerfile before plating. This is how they where originally except they would have been zinc only, no yellow passive.

Johnny

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Originally posted by Johnny Woods:
Pic 79. These gullwing safety latches are not original but the owner wanted to keep them so I had them replated.

Hey Johnny , here is interesting detail! The secondary latches are in the Mangusta parts book !

The extra latch at the forward bottom of each wing was an original feature of the later cars. The tell tale is if the wing has a sheet metal loop catch welded to the forward bottom of each hatch opening. Not sure of what numbered car this feature started. 718 has no sign of this and 1302 has the latch connections on the wings, but no actual latch to secure it! Again Italian consistency at it's finest!

Denis/Mike, I stand corrected! I am so glad I didn't remove them now. I had not seen them on another goose and the brackets under the latch have a very home made look about them!

Johnny

Hi all sorry for the previous fails with the photos and I hope a moderator can remove the offending articles! I think this shot should be OK and show the bracket that the latch hooks onto.

If you are ever looking for some Mangusta parts feel free to email me as i have some available...mikedmayberry@hotmail.com

My goose has brackets that look like the one posted above by 69goose.



Also, like 69goose, my car has no latch to hook onto these loop connectors/brackets.

Were there originally safety latches as Johnny has posted that hook onto these brackets ( 42-45 on parts diagram do look pretty convincing)

If so, can someone post a photo of an original latch?

Hi my car 650 does not have these safety brackets, I think the early cars didn’t have them but don’t know what number they were first fitted too?

Richard

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Pic 89

Is the yellow a/c fan placed in more or less the correct place in Johnny's example photo(toward the driver's side of center, on the forward side of the condenser)? Some cars have it on the other side of the condenser and more centered....

Also, is the Mangusta fan the same one used in the Pantera ?

vypr...

Yes, the fan is basically in the same location...it needs to clear the spare tire & bracket that you see there also.

The yellow blade fan is likely the same as the Pantera, but not all Mangusta's received the full shrouded yellow bladed assy.

Most got a minimal mounting system made of all thread bent where bends were required, and welded to a fan bracket. Fan motor may have been similar to one of the radiator fan motors.... but blade assy was a 6-ish bladed plain (sorta clear) plastic with smaller vanes.

Note nuts and large washers in fins of the condenser! You can just make out threaded rod welded to fan retainer at about the 4:00 position of the motor.

Richard, the safety brackets are one of the precious mysteries of the Goose, they show up on this car and on the parts drawing...but it seems really not anywhere else.

Vyprgt2, I cannot be dead sure what was built in the last days of the Mangusta, but most were built using the white small fan blade that is used for the left side radiator, a Motocraft motor and a bracket made of all-thread rod...These continued at least until what was on my car (8ma1076). Attached is a picture of the Bordinath car, which I'm guessing is (as the rest of the car appears) as it left from the factory...

Lee,

Your statement should be "as it left Ford"....as Bordinath modified a lot of the car using later model parts as needed! ....or perhaps parts that appeared on later Ford cars!!!

The collapsible spare tire is not a DeTomaso feature.... I think it also had a Ford air cleaner with a chrome lid, ala 351C cars...IIRC.

Cheers!

Steve, you remember this well..!

Bordinat did do some alterations to 8MA1196, but the AC fan lloks pretty much the same as on 8MA1114, (http://markscars.ca/Photo_Galleries/Pages/Mangusta_1114.html#45)
8MA1216 (http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/R8MA1216/R8MA1216.asp)
and 8MA1244

I do believe the early cars had the same fans as the front radiator mounted on threaded rods, but the later production definitely had the yellow fans later used on the Pantera using a small shroud to increase the flow.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeA:
Richard, the safety brackets are one of the precious mysteries of the Goose, they show up on this car and on the parts drawing...but it seems really not anywhere else.


My car has the bracket as shown in post 104 on each wing.
On closer inspection (now that I know what I'm looking for and where), I found clear impressions of the rectangular brackets which originally must have held the latches on the engine bay walls.

John, where was my head when I owned a junk Goose? I was so discouraged with rust everywhere even on the underside of the roof, I sold the hulk to your countryman Roger! I understand he now has it back together & running.

'Course, shipping plus the $100,000+ USD it would have cost to get your level of restoration was also out of my reach. BRAVO for your work!
J DeRyke

John, I'm curious, what is your chassis number ? Lee

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Originally posted by vyprgt2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeA:
Richard, the safety brackets are one of the precious mysteries of the Goose, they show up on this car and on the parts drawing...but it seems really not anywhere else.


My car has the bracket as shown in post 104 on each wing.
On closer inspection (now that I know what I'm looking for and where), I found clear impressions of the rectangular brackets which originally must have held the latches on the engine bay walls.

I just got ambitious and looked at the late Geese on provamo

Lo and behold 1288 and 1242 clearly have safety latches !
www.provamo.com/Members/Regist...8MA1242/R8MA1242.asp

wow, good eye ! Especially, with so much going on in 1288...
(and Nate, 1242 has a pleated headliner, and Mike, no leather on the Ferrero steering wheel...).

What is the earliest car found with the safety latches ?

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Originally posted by LeeA:
wow, good eye ! Especially, with so much going on in 1288...
(and Nate, 1242 has a pleated headliner, and Mike, no leather on the Ferrero steering wheel...).

What is the earliest car found with the safety latches ?

so far, the earliest I have found is 1116 with wing brackets to accept latches

1256 has wing brackets

1136, 1242, 1288 have latches (also 1182, which is the subject car of this thread)

There are at least three that I know of without leather on the steering wheel

This is 898

Since all Mangustas newer than #1136 were detail-completed in Germany, maybe the safety latches are a Mercedes or BMW part? Such extras could have been added by POs over 50 yrs.

Heiko Ostmann's class winning race Mangusta #1052 lost a rear cover during competition, DNF-ing that event (Silverstone?) So rear cover safety latches seem worth installing. Note- Heiko still won the 2009 C.E.R World Championship in GT-1 against GT-40s, Lolas, Ferraris and others.