Pantera #001 - Group 5/C "gruppo5". Information & Pictures needed

some more pictures..




so please respond if you have more info/pictures

There was a car similar to that one that burned and the remains were for sale on ebay....not sure if it's the same car. It also kinda resembles this one...it could have been changed over the years?????

http://www.hobbycar.com/GroupC.html

good luck

John

I would not have thought that was the same car, but you could be right as both were driven by the same team and seem to have references to chassis number 001. It was (they were?) driven by Carlo Pietromarchi and Maurizio Micangeli in Group5 back in the late 1970's in many races. Perhaps you would have luck if you contact the person who took this photo: Umberto Cattani (umbcat-AT-tin.it)

Some results:
http://www.racingpedia.net/pl_0_driver_Maurizio_Micangeli.html
http://www.racingpedia.net/en_0_driver_Carlo_Pietromarchi.html

another shot:

Interesting to note that there seems to have been long and short tails for this bodywork.

Isnt this WHIPLASH's avatar ...Dave Adler ... either owns it or knows its where abouts ?

Ron

quote:

Originally posted by JohnnyAlki:
There was a car similar to that one that burned and the remains were for sale on ebay....not sure if it's the same car. It also kinda resembles this one...it could have been changed over the years?????

http://www.hobbycar.com/GroupC.html

good luck

John

yes its the same tube framing i think, but perspnally i find that chassi awefull, but thanks

moffi

The car you are seeking information about was originally raced in Group 5 livery (1977 - 1980), with all the vents in the body work, and the yellow/brown paint. The car no longer looks like that. It was modified in 1981 to race in Group C.

The Pantera in question was purchased by David and Linda Adler in its final, Group C, livery a few years ago. They restored the car, showed it at the 2007 Concorso Italiano and then put it up for sale. It is still listed for sale on the PI Motorsports website.

This Pantera has no chassis number, it was built in 1977 upon a spare chassis acquired directly from the factory. Philippe Olczyk gave it a chassis number 001 in his book "DeTomaso Macchine da Corsa" page 436.

cowboy from hell

ok, then il send him a mail and ask if he have any measures etc, but if not, who might??

All I can say is wow .... That is a fine example of Pantera Racing History ... a great find .... boy would I like to see some pics of the motor and chasis ... best of Luck Dave and Linda and thanks for preserving this piece of History ... it could have ended up like the other burned up, rusted up chasis that often show up on EBAY month after month.

Ron

I sure liked its look before the fire. Not so hot on the 1981 re-body. I sure hope you duplicate the earlier body style. Good luck!

I remember seeing a ton of "before" pics of this car when the Adlers had it shipped to them. I don't remember where, but it was probably on this forum. It wasn't in too good of shape when they got it. They should be able to give you more info and pictures than you want.

You sure this was the car in the fire ? I think it was only like a month or 2 ago it was on ebay ... Dave works real fast ?

Ron

This is not the burned out car that was on Ebay. I think that one may have been the Kleinpeter car, which was originally a stock '71 car heavily modified by privateer Kleinpeter.

I talked to Dave at Concurso '07 and he was saying his factory GRP5/C car sat at Auto Elite in Modena for 20 yrs, he had a hell of a time negotiating to buy it and then a bunch of hurdles to get it into the US.

Dave also has Whiplash, which I think I'm right in saying was a GRP3 car modified to GRP5 spec.

FWIW Patrick Hals in Belgium owns the 'Candy' car now and at least one other Factory Group 4 car. He hangs out on the De Toamso e-mail list and might be a good resource for information.

If you don't have a copy Philippe Olczyk's book De Tomaso "Macchina da Corsa" is a must for historic racing information and photos. George sells it through the PI bookstore.

Here's a photo of Whiplash..

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Originally posted by Joules5:
Here's a photo of Whiplash..

nice, but not by far as raw as the gr.5

bugs me that de tomaso shut down, il guess they had some drawings etc, cause they build it, right??

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
another shot:

Interesting to note that there seems to have been long and short tails for this bodywork.

FUNNY, ive looked alot at those and didnt acctually see it until i read the comment above the picture.. but no doubt, it will be the longtail.. hmm or some doubt, damn, thats a dilemma

instead of making a new post i just ask here, ive had some engine options in mind, but how big can the engine be before it causes alot of work to fit?? and whitch gearbox should i use concidering this will push out ALOT of power??

thanks for all your help

Moffi,

Instead of building your own REPLICA of Pantera #001, why not own the real thing, why not purchase Pantera #001 from the Adlers? Its the real car, the car in the pictures. Fully restored. I'm sure you could purchase this car for less money than it would cost to duplicate it.

Then all you need to do is duplicate the original body work. If you make inquiries with the right sources in Italy, the original bodywork may still be laying around somewhere.

cowboy from hell

quote:

Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:
Moffi,

Instead of building your own REPLICA of Pantera #001, why not own the real thing, why not purchase Pantera #001 from the Adlers? Its the real car, the car in the pictures. Fully restored. I'm sure you could purchase this car for less money than it would cost to duplicate it.

Then all you need to do is duplicate the original body work. If you make inquiries with the right sources in Italy, the original bodywork may still be laying around somewhere.

cowboy from hell

i did in fact have a talk with him, and instead of telling again, il just post the mails, i have my reasons you see

OK, that makes sense. I don't have a source for measurements on the 5 car, I am sorry.
You may want to contact Rene Killer in Switzerland because he is a historian and may have that data. He also has models of the car. His email is shown above.
My race car has a standard Pantera chassis under it. I would sell it to you for $200,000 USD. Thank you, Dave



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From: Tor Gundersen [mailto:moffi89@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:21 PM
To: Dave at Motorspot, Inc.
Subject: Re: hi, a couple of questions about the gr.5 pantera, if you have the time


i acctually would have bought yours and rebuilt it no doubt, only one major glitch with it, i cant get it registerd in norway(wierd crappy laws)
so i have to imort a car close to standard/original and have that approved, then search to rebuild it at the dmv, then there are two firms dmv and some random company to check if the build is within reason etc... taking forever... and the build is quite nice priced, 100.00-130.0000$ and thats with leather and carbon interior and 1200hp without blowers or nos.. and the tax laws make buing an expensive car ALOT more expensive, so yours would (if i could get it registerd) cost around 400.000+$ with our stupid laws and taxes..

would you happen to know who might have some measures of it? theres been build a couple of model cars of it, and im guessing they got it from somewhere...

Tor Gundersen


From: Dave at Motorspot, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:11 AM
To: 'Tor allan dahl'
Subject: RE: hi, a couple of questions about the gr.5 pantera, if you have the time


Hi Tor,
No, I have no measurements of the Gruppo 5 Pantera. The excellent book on Pantera race cars by Phillipe Olcyzk has a nice selection of photos of the car. I recommend you purchase that book. It a fantastic read.
Rather than spend a lot of money on a replica, please consider purchasing my car and have the real thing. You could rebody as the Gr.5 or race it as the Group C and be eligible for vintage racing anywhere in the world plus have a very rare and valuable DeTomaso.
I will make you a special price.
Dave Adler



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From: Tor allan dahl [mailto:moffi89@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:04 PM
To: dave
Subject: hi, a couple of questions about the gr.5 pantera, if you have the time


i was just woundering if you have any pictures of it in its previous look...
with the vents on the hood etc.. and if you happen to have the measures etc?

im going for a replica of that car and planning on hitting 330km/h with it so any answer would help me in the right way.

Tor Gundersen

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