Yup, the black, t-boned Pantera discussed earlier on this forum is BAAACK.
Now on ebay, buy it now of $30K
some poor sucker is going to be very SAAAD.
View it here-
http://tinyurl.com/3xtu9a
Larry
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Wow, I saw that car on ebay today, and thought, would have been ok, if I hadn't already bought.
Sure looks nice 
Looks like after a tour of both southern coasts, 7001 has headed north again. I guess after this we'll see it in Washington to complete it's 4-corner tour of the States. Time for Larry to "sell" some more post-crash photos of 7001 on eBay.
I e-mailed the eBay seller and asked a few basic questions about the car. One was if it was ever in an accident. Let's see what he says.
Michael
Michael
Here is his exact reply:
"The ZF shifts great, The paint needs some minor touch up on the driver fender, It looks like it's been hit in the driver door and repaired before I got the car. The seats also need to be re-done. I have the car since the start of the summer and put about $3000 in parts into the car. It now runs great. Just got a 2004 Lambo and need the room"
Michael
"The ZF shifts great, The paint needs some minor touch up on the driver fender, It looks like it's been hit in the driver door and repaired before I got the car. The seats also need to be re-done. I have the car since the start of the summer and put about $3000 in parts into the car. It now runs great. Just got a 2004 Lambo and need the room"
Michael
At least he's straight forward about the hit to the door. You think he knows to what extent? I guess he likely found out since he's selling it so quickly!
He knows the history of the car. Warn your friends, wives and daughters.
Jim Cain
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Jim Cain
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It's off of E-bay.
You are all being presumptuous. Many cars have been brought back from the dead with absolutely no problems. That car was repairable.
It isn't like a previous owner just filled in all of the dents with body filler.
Hum. Maybe they did? Nah.
It isn't like a previous owner just filled in all of the dents with body filler.
Hum. Maybe they did? Nah.
Doug, many Pantera experts were consulted after the crash and they ALL said it was unrepairable. The larger issue was that the car had/has? serious RUST issues and as such wasn't worth repairing. It's nice to see someone has tried, and as long as the new buyers are fully aware, no harm done.
Anything is repairable. I have seen cars retored from just a bolt. The question would be if it was financially repairable.
If someone wanted to do $100,000 of work for free that's their business. I wouldn't.
It would be interested to see the quality or lack of quality that was done.
As far as wanting to own that car, I would prefer not to.
I find it difficult to believe that the current owner found the damage undetectable, but it is possible.
One of the values of a "World Registry" is to keep an independent history of vehicles to avoid misrepresentations on severly damaged vehicles, or title challenged ones.
Something to think about.
If someone wanted to do $100,000 of work for free that's their business. I wouldn't.
It would be interested to see the quality or lack of quality that was done.
As far as wanting to own that car, I would prefer not to.
I find it difficult to believe that the current owner found the damage undetectable, but it is possible.
One of the values of a "World Registry" is to keep an independent history of vehicles to avoid misrepresentations on severly damaged vehicles, or title challenged ones.
Something to think about.
quote:Time for Larry to "sell" some more post-crash photos of 7001 on eBay.
Done Deal --
http://tinyurl.com/26u5rb
NOTE - WHILE YESTERDAY'S LISTING WAS REMOVED
(SEEMS SOMEONE NOTIFIED EBAY THE SELLER WAS ACCEPTING WIRE TRANSFER PAYMENT)
IT IS AGAIN BACK ON EBAY --
http://tinyurl.com/29e5xj
And NO disclosure of the prior damage.
Larry
I saw this car a few months ago near sacramento, CA and its been prettied up since it was offered for sale in CA. Looks like more than a detail and polish has been done to try and sell it again. When I saw it had small cracks, dings, a marker light cover missing and it looked like the driver's side rear quarter panel was pushed in. Those things aren't obvious in the photos.
I saw the car before I saw the t-bone picture, and from walking around the car the extent of the previous damage was not obvious.
I agree with PanteraDoug that anything is repairable. Case in point is my friend's '53 Jag. The front end, including the frame was crumbled up like a ball of tissue paper. They built a new front section of frame, front end, and made new body panels from wooden bucks to restore the car. In the end, the owner could have bought a Concourse quality '53 Jag for less, but the owner is rich and sentimental and can do that.
I think if the repairs are legitimate there should be documentation and interested parties should get it up on a rack and have a professional check it out.
I saw the car before I saw the t-bone picture, and from walking around the car the extent of the previous damage was not obvious.
I agree with PanteraDoug that anything is repairable. Case in point is my friend's '53 Jag. The front end, including the frame was crumbled up like a ball of tissue paper. They built a new front section of frame, front end, and made new body panels from wooden bucks to restore the car. In the end, the owner could have bought a Concourse quality '53 Jag for less, but the owner is rich and sentimental and can do that.
I think if the repairs are legitimate there should be documentation and interested parties should get it up on a rack and have a professional check it out.
They're claiming a clear title. When the insurance comnpany totaled it out, it should have been issued a salvage title.
Hi, sorry to hijack here, How do you tell on a title if it is a 'clear' or 'salvage' title ?
The ad sounds weird, as it would have fresh paint due to the repair, yet he says the driver side needs minor paint repairs ?? must have hit it again !
The ad sounds weird, as it would have fresh paint due to the repair, yet he says the driver side needs minor paint repairs ?? must have hit it again !
quote:I agree with PanteraDoug that anything is repairable.
True enough.
The problem now, with THIS seller, is his failure to disclose the car's history - and he now knows very well what that is.
There are professional bondo meters that can actually measure the thickness of bondo. Any buyer of this car should find a restoration/body shop to do such testing.
My 2511 had extensive damage that shifted the entire front end by at least 3/4", tore the A-pillar apart and shattered the steering's R&P housing. But after the subsequent repair the car is still a one-finger car at 125 and most folks never notice anything amiss.
But come the time when my heirs sell (sure won't be ME) the car, I trust they will include those photos, and the photos of the repairs, to any potential seller - and do so from the beginning of listing it for sale.
Larry
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Well, if I had more time AND if the car was REALLY in Brooklyn (which I doubt), I'd go look at it.
I agree here with what all you guys are saying and I am just trying to make a point about repairs.
I have seen a couple of obviously very talented people with a chassis machine pop these unibody cars back.
It is absolutely amazing. You have to see it to believe it.
The fenders and door obviously were originally destroyed on the car. But the floor pans and roof can be popped out.
The hard part is not to get the unibody back, it is to get the deck to fit the roof. The original lines of the car are so fine that you are trying to meet perspective lines with the accuracy of a laser light.
As a matter of fact if you look at a lot of "original" Panteras, the decks cannot be made to meet the 1/4 roofs properly and still open.
The tolerences are just not there originally between the car and the decks. Check them out yourself.
When you do a new quarter panel, you alighn it with the "new" door" and front fender as a unit. It is possible to get the car tighter in this process then the factory did originally because you are bending eveything to fit.
All the experts were really saying is that for the probably $85k (or more)to go into it, it will only for sure bring $35k. The ODDS ARE that no one will do that.
If these cars brought $150k, then this car would have been rebuilt better then new. No one even needs to suggest it to me.
What a co-incidence that there is a picture of a damaged car that so resembles what is being sold? Small world.
I agree here with what all you guys are saying and I am just trying to make a point about repairs.
I have seen a couple of obviously very talented people with a chassis machine pop these unibody cars back.
It is absolutely amazing. You have to see it to believe it.
The fenders and door obviously were originally destroyed on the car. But the floor pans and roof can be popped out.
The hard part is not to get the unibody back, it is to get the deck to fit the roof. The original lines of the car are so fine that you are trying to meet perspective lines with the accuracy of a laser light.
As a matter of fact if you look at a lot of "original" Panteras, the decks cannot be made to meet the 1/4 roofs properly and still open.
The tolerences are just not there originally between the car and the decks. Check them out yourself.
When you do a new quarter panel, you alighn it with the "new" door" and front fender as a unit. It is possible to get the car tighter in this process then the factory did originally because you are bending eveything to fit.
All the experts were really saying is that for the probably $85k (or more)to go into it, it will only for sure bring $35k. The ODDS ARE that no one will do that.
If these cars brought $150k, then this car would have been rebuilt better then new. No one even needs to suggest it to me.
What a co-incidence that there is a picture of a damaged car that so resembles what is being sold? Small world.
If this car is really in Brooklyn I can go see it if anyone needs me to.