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Originally posted by Cyboman:
Do any Canadians know what is being 'remembered'?
Michael


The general pop consensus is that the French remember getting their asses kicked on the Plains of Abraham (Quebec) spelling the end of French rule in NE America.

Properly, IMHO, the slogan should read "Je me souviens partiellement" (I partially remember), as the graciousness of the English allowed Quebec to exist as a largely French centre maintaining its language, culture, religion and traditions.
We are going thru somewhat of an economic slowdown here in Europe too, but confidence is much higher than in the US. The Euro buyers will continue to take advantage of the weak dollar as long as the exchange rate is favourable.
I have just bought my second Pantera in the US, and it has cost way less than a comparable car here, and I personally know of two mangustas that have also made their way here recently. It will in the medium term only reinforce the value of the cars that remain in the US.
Steve

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I do not know how long that anyone can count on the European "gravy train" to continue.

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Great thread.

I bought my dream car a few months back and have put about 1400 miles on since. If it's not raining, I can't let a day go by when I don't hit the road. I agree with David (the guy who convinced me that "life's too short" NOT to have a Pantera) that owning, driving and looking at my cat has been entirely worth it alone.

However, I am not so sure that the Pantera is NOT a good investment. It all depends on the circumstance, I suppose. If you do your homework and make a good, non-emotional buy ... I think you've made a great investment. Maintenance fees and mods will add up over the years, but I cannot forsee that the value of our cats will doing anything but increase as they becoming increasingly rare in the market.

In driving about, I get a kick out of seeing the plethora of Porsches and Corvettes on the road - none of them any different from the rest. So plain, boring. The Pantera, on the other hand, is so unique that no two cats are the same. And they (currently) cost WAY LESS!

I seriously thought that it was going to take me more than a year to find a cat and to save the additional $$$ that would be required to pull the trigger. Well, due to the slumping US economy and the strong Canadian dollar, I was able to achieve my dream sooner. The stars simply aligned as there is no way I would have been able to get the same value for money a year ago - or perhaps in the future.

I would have paid double for my cat if that's what it would have taken. I would have had to wait a few more years, but I would have owned one eventually.

Bottom line is that now is an excellent time to be looking for your first Pantera.
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Originally posted by four walling:

What I do not know is if I will keep the vehicle for 2 months to get it "out of my system" or that I will like the car so much that I will keep it for 10 years.


I had that very same thought - a few times, in fact. As I flew in to Phoenix to inspect and test drive her for the first time ... just before I picked her up ... and sometimes (still) after a few rainy days of not driving her.

You know what? EVERY single time I sit in the car, I KNOW why I did this. I don't even have to fire her up to know that I made the right decision. I just have to walk in to the garage. And, let me tell you, when I do fire her up and pull out on the highway ... pure bliss.

There are few things in life that can provide a similar experience.
My question is where is the best place to advertise a Pantera for sale, I just put an ad in the cars for sale section first, since my thought was that people who visit this site have a better idea of what the cars are worth and what it takes to build a quality Pantera.

Any suggestions who be appreciated, although everytime I look at the car, I want to keep it.
I bought my Pantera a couple years ago, but after about a 10 year Pantera "absence". I actually thought I had it out of my system.

I just got the hots for a nostalgic, fun, romping car. I had a 996tt (and no intention to get rid of it) so that was my 'comfortable, reliable, trip car') but started looking at Panteras.

Honestly, you'll NEVER know if you'll keep the car 2 months or 10 years, but do you know that about anything? So buy a good to great one (please avoid the 'bad' unless you've some streak of masochism in you) and try it out.

I paid $31k for my one owner car and have put about $25k in it. A ridiculous amount of money and I DEFINITELY could've 'saved' money by buying a done #1 condition car. Fine. But I've actually ENJOYED (capitalized for a reason) the redo. Met some great folks, have some stories to share, and have a very fun, reliable car.

Honestly, I enjoy driving my Pantera around more than my other sports cars because of how unique it is.

People ask about it all the time, and in a pure beauty contest, it's a flat out winner. This board will set you straight on what to do, what NOT to do, and how to extract maximum enjoyment. (There's that word again.)

Just pick a good one and go for it. I mean, really, who cares if you own it, have fun, spend some money, and IF you decide to sell you break even or lose a bit? If you learned something, had a good time, and have a memory that no one can ever take... was it a loss?

But if you come out ahead financially, like many believe you will, it's just a bonus.
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I agree with Hudson. I love the Pantera because it is unique, especially the widebody. I have a silver Porsche that looks (almost) like every other silver Porsche (but with much cooler wheels) and people could care less when I drive by. But take the Pantera out, and people have questions every time I get out of it.

I wonder what will happen to the value of our cars as they slip from the public consciousness. There are only a few thousand of them, and we don't drive them enough to get a new generation interested. The economy will continue to go up and down, but supply and demand is the battle we face long term...increasing demand is the challenge.

I hang out with two groups of people that will be future Pantera owners...young exotic owners, and import tuner street racers. Is that typical for you guys? More of a hot rod crowd? Most of my friends drive Lambos and Ferraris - and one of them is thinking about getting a Pantera!

R.
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Originally posted by RobertVegas:

I wonder what will happen to the value of our cars as they slip from the public consciousness. There are only a few thousand of them, and we don't drive them enough to get a new generation interested. The economy will continue to go up and down, but supply and demand is the battle we face long term...increasing demand is the challenge.



R.


I might be biased as an owner, but the great thing about the car is the way the car looks. It is timeless not trendy. It is one of the few cars that look good from any angle and that is rare. That's the reason the has been so popular and will continue to be.

Just my 2 cents.
We got our car just a year ago, we found it for sale in a trader type publication. I will never forget getting home from work that day and Kim told me that the Round Up had got there today. Then she told me I need to look at page 64. Thats what it took to start the trip we have been on for the last year with 1717. Just a note Kim and I tend to race to see who first gets to browse throught that mag.
I feel the Pantera prices have stagnated somewhat but not gone done. This I feel is in realition to the economy. Has long as there is gas to burn these cars should rise at a slow but steady value.
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I might be biased as an owner, but the great thing about the car is the way the car looks. It is timeless not trendy. It is one of the few cars that look good from any angle and that is rare. That's the reason the has been so popular and will continue to be.

I so agree. While in the Smokeys our car was so WELL received. 90% KNEW what she was. Anywhere else well you know how many people know what our cars are.
A few Harley riders would wave, but the sport bike crowd would ALWAYS wave or give us a thumbs up. This made us feel very welcome. We got out of the car on one trip through the Dragon and one guy yelled at me that he was freaking jealous...I asked him why??? and his response was " you have FOUR contact patches, and I only have TWO". We ended up talking about bikes and cars for almost a hour. He was on a I dont remember but his wife was on a Ducati Monster, such nice folks and it was a pleasure to have the time we spent together!!
Jeff
A very good question indeed!I live in Australia and have been watching the market both in Europe and the US for some time.I hope to purchase a Pantera very soon.Whilst I was hoping to buy a right hand drive, the price in the UK is very expensive after we allow for the conversion rate. So I have decided to purchase from the US. One reason is our dollar is close to parity with the US dollar. Another reason, which is probably not obvious to you guys in the US, nobody does so many modifications and does them so well as you guys. You have such a large market and obviously so many talented restorers.This means a lot more cars are probably going to go over seas.This will only raise the profile of these awesome cars and I believe is a great compliment to the guys who spent so much time restoring these cars.As long as markets all over the world struggle more toys will be sold and the price will inevitably fall. I guess its a buyers market!

Well thats my humble opinion anyway! Smiler
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Originally posted by JOHN KAZLO:
HI ALL. I have been watching EBAY lately and it seem's that a lot of seemingly nice car's are going un-sold. Is the PANTERA market in a
slump due to the economy being what it is?
Seem's like a large number of the NEW MEMBER'S are from oversea's & CANADA are they the only one's buying these day's due to the exchange rate? What kind of money are these car's bringing these day's [say for a NICE driver pantera?] vs. a well restored example and a project car? What is the general concensus?
THANK'S JOHN


The Pantera market has all the signs it's in a slump. It's amazing the number of nice cars that have just lingered on the market. Last week the highest price a factory GT5S and a factory GT5 could muster on ebay was a high bid in the forties. That black GT5s on Long Island has been for sale for what seems like forever. Include the high number of quality cars listed on Melton's site, the PI and PIM website and all signs point to a depressed Pantera market and lower prices.
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I hope so...there are a few now that look really attractive, but I don't think they're The One.


I am looking for "the One" also. It sucks when you are ready, willing and able to purchase a vehicle and nothing seems quite "right".

There are a lot of cars to choose from. I haven't quite yet found the right combination of upgrades, cosmetic condition, location (to SoCal) and price that would "blow my skirt".
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Originally posted by dmjung:
I've been watching prices for about a year now...there definitely seems to be more cars on the market and prices are all over the place. There doesn't seem to be much consistency in the pricing which may be another indicator the market is soft.



I'm not to sure about a "soft" market... I think the prices are directly related to the quality of the cars.. Yes, lots of good opportunities out there for sale
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Originally posted by four walling:
[I am looking for "the One" also. It sucks when you are ready, willing and able to purchase a vehicle and nothing seems quite "right".

There are a lot of cars to choose from. I haven't quite yet found the right combination of upgrades, cosmetic condition, location (to SoCal) and price that would "blow my skirt".




Don’t rush the “hunt”, It is ½ the fun…
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