I am helping a friend search for a Pantera to buy and we came across this. The outside of the car and its engine bay look good in photos but the bottom of the car is a different story. Some of the sheet metal looks like Swiss cheese, the bottom of the front valence is MIA, and a large X shaped brace has been welded in place under the front floor board. Perhaps the car was sagging or flexing and needed some shoring up. The seller is not disclosing any of this in his ad and the following photo was only provided up request. It is not part of his set of photos in the ad. The car is priced as if there are no issues with it. On the up side, the car has plenty of fresh flat black spray paint on the bottom
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I guess thanks are in order for publicizing this, but it would be of much more value if you would reveal a website to view this auction and more importantly a VIN number to allow this information to go into the registry.
Here is the car. The VIN is in the ad.
Wow I wonder what lurks underneath all the undercoating? At that price best to avoid this one IMO. If one could inspect the car on a lift to assess the required work at least one would know what he was getting into.
The VIN is: THPNMK03724
Imagine having payed $89000 for it only to discover an underside like that. It looks like someone did a lot of rough bracing to keep the chassis from falling apart.
No mentioning of rust issues in the add - run.
There is one more photo of the bottom of the car and it is also disturbing. Additional bracing has been welded along the bottom of the engine firewall. But they had to bend the bracing to make it fit (or it bent after installation). Maybe the car has been in an accident? Extra bracing has been added along the outside seat rails as well.
Here is a regular Pantera for comparison:
Hi everyone I just joined the forum and I am the owner of this pantera. One thing I want to clarify is that I didn't authorize @stevebuchanan to share my pictures anywhere. These are my photos and he has no right to post them anywhere else without my permission. This car is not pretty underneath I know. As far as rust it is not a rusty car I put almost 6K miles on it since owning it the way it is. It had a lots of undercoat when I purchased it and we tried to scrape clean but it was taking enormous amount of work and it was not going to change anything but the looks. So it was coated one more time. It may look suspicious but if somebody wanted to take time to inspect it will find out what really is.If any rust was found underneath I would have addressed it but didn't find any rust. Assumption is a bad thing and I sent those pictures myself but I do NOT APPRECIATE stevebuchanan posting photos and devalue my car. He asked for the pictures and did not even contact me after. But took the extra effort to come here and talk about it. This tread is very unproductive and should be removed. IF someone wants a value car there is some out there but please don't devalue my car.
Administrator, please remove this thread as requested by Chn82
Due to a lack of full disclosure in the ebay listing, I think this thread is productive to help people not waste time when considering cars since it provides information that is currently missing from the listing.
Note that BaT won't even list a car that doesn't have underside pictures. Why have a problem with them being shared, since they represent the actual state of the car, correct? Why not put the pictures in the ebay listing or at least state in the listing "This car is not pretty underneath" as you state above?
Are you going to state there is missing front valance sheet metal in the ebay listing, now that you are aware its an issue?
FYI, you voluntarily sent the images out for review in connection with a public listing and lost control at that point. These images fall under fair use for criticism and comment under Section 107 of the Copyright Act.
no visible rust because it has been covered up by scrap bedframe metal and then doused in a flood of undercoating. This car is a structural disaster or it would not have all of that homebrew, redneck reinforcement slathered onto its underside. IMHO
if there’s nothing wrong with the underside of this car it is very strange that you would not post any photos of the underside in your eBay auction. You obviously know this is an issue with the car and you are not being upfront in marketing this car.
you appear to be someone that flips cars when the money looks good, not like the rest of us, owners who cherish these cars and value them as rare and classic supercars.
Your flimsy little protest will not gain any traction in this forum
One of the main purposes of a public forum such as ours, is to assist potential buyers in making informed purchases. When someone puts a Pantera up for sale, fair commentary is expected. Pointing out odd, obviously non-stock chassis reinforcements and visible rust perforations, in areas known to rust from the inside out, is our obligation. Ask yourself who is harmed and who is helped by this information? Well done Steve, for bringing this Pantera to the attention of the market and for providing an example of what the undercarriage of a Pantera should look like.
I, for one, think this thread belongs here.