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Originally posted by andriyko:
I wonder what the German accident rate is? Surely, part of the price of the Autobahn is to ensure a vehicle is maintained roadworthy manner


I have family who have lived their entire life in Europe (Belgium and Luxembourg). During visits, I am astounded by the stories of speed-related deaths. Nearly every family has lost someone due to speed. Now, the fact that they don't have a limit on drinking age may also be a factor.

Still, I wish we had a more relaxed attitude towards speed in Canada.
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Originally posted by Cuvee:
So what happens if there was an accident (lets hope not) and the Ins. Co. gets a hold of the GPS and sees that maybe the accident was caused by the fact that the car was doing say 140mph? Then they decide they don't what to pay for the claim? Some things BIG brother doesn't need to know. Just a thought.


This is a valid point. Since I own and control my GPS data, I would only use it to my benefit. I was surprised that they didn't ask for a monthly GPS report, which is how our customers get their insurance premiums reduced.

As far as the black box goes, I have heard stories from trucking companies where the box (ie. the ECM module or the older tachograph) would mysteriously go missing every time there was an accident. They had no way of "coaching" their (mostly young) workers to drive according to conditions.

The two biggest issues relating to speed here in Western Canada are 1) too many trucks on the road that drive way too fast and 2) absolutely ZERO lane discipline (the proverbial "left lane bandit"). Remove both those elements and the roads would be a much safer place - for us to drive at 200 km/h speeds! Wink
Cuvee, There was a case in Montreal in 2001 (court date apr 2004) where a young man had an accident at an intersection and killed someone at the wee hours of the night. The crown got a hold of the vehicle's pcm and managed to contradict the driver testimonial that he was driving the speed limit at the time of the accident. (He was driving a Pontiac Sunfire)
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story...ackbox_20040414.html

David, Automobile PCMs (black boxes) are not at all like those of airplanes. They measure a variety of items to control the vehicle and not all manufacturers PCM available info is the same and few people have the knowledge to de-cript it's info. Typical mesurements are atmospheric presure, coolant temprature, trans oil temp, exhaust temp, O2 exhaust con, rate of deceleration, wheel rotational differences.
Can't speak for all manufacturers but the simple excercise of pulling this info would be (is) a bureaucratic nightmare. In my 20 years there were only 2 instances where it was requested and granted ant it was for accidents involving police cars and deaths.
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Originally posted by Denis C:
Cuvee, There was a case in Montreal in 2001 (court date apr 2004) where a young man had an accident at an intersection and killed someone at the wee hours of the night. The crown got a hold of the vehicle's pcm and managed to contradict the driver testimonial that he was driving the speed limit at the time of the accident. (He was driving a Pontiac Sunfire)
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story...ackbox_20040414.html

David, Automobile PCMs (black boxes) are not at all like those of airplanes. They measure a variety of items to control the vehicle and not all manufacturers PCM available info is the same and few people have the knowledge to de-cript it's info. Typical mesurements are atmospheric presure, coolant temprature, trans oil temp, exhaust temp, O2 exhaust con, rate of deceleration, wheel rotational differences.
Can't speak for all manufacturers but the simple excercise of pulling this info would be (is) a bureaucratic nightmare. In my 20 years there were only 2 instances where it was requested and granted ant it was for accidents involving police cars and deaths.


Not to make light of things, he should have got more time just because he was driving a Sunbird!
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