Somebody knows an alternative to ultra expensive Pirelli o Michelin TB15 tires ?
One time there was Yokohama AWS but they are out of catalog.
I was thinking about Hoosier street racing tires of course the ones with tread pattern, road racing wet pattern should be perfect.
Any experiences or suggestions ?
What do you think about ?
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They don't exist.

Yokohama has the molds for what you want, but they are no longer willing to make them.

I am personally running 255x45 and 345x35 (Michelin and Pirelli). Close as you can get in current date coded tires. Unwilling to run tires that have timed out because of age.

Avon's on the street are illegal here in the US and if you feel them, thin as paper. I personally would not want to run over a nail with one. Lights out.
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Originally posted by Dr.Oldsmobile:
I am looking for absolutely any brand that makes a 295/40r15 for the fronts and a 345/35r15 for the rear.
I really just want to be able to run matching front a rear tires!


Michelin TB15 makes 295/40/15 street legal tires for the front and 335/35/15 for the rear but they are damn expensives :/

http://www.summitracing.com/in.../cok-71231/overview/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQMyKFpve04
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Originally posted by Panterapatt:
They don't exist.

Yokohama has the molds for what you want, but they are no longer willing to make them.

I am personally running 255x45 and 345x35 (Michelin and Pirelli). Close as you can get in current date coded tires. Unwilling to run tires that have timed out because of age.

Avon's on the street are illegal here in the US and if you feel them, thin as paper. I personally would not want to run over a nail with one. Lights out.


They exist Wink
http://www.summitracing.com/in.../cok-71231/overview/
The prices on the Michelin TB5 or TB15 have come down significantly in the US, that said they are still slightly cheaper from Longstone Tyres in the UK, even if you are in the US! They have free shipping and no VAT on sales outside the EU.

Don't use their currency converter it is way off.

Ron McCall has a set of Avons hand cut with tread and said he prefers them to the Michelins. Roger Kraus racing in Castro Valley, CA will hand cut a set for you.

Julian
Some of you have mixed and matched front and rear tires.

Could you please comment on your combination and the performance?

A simple or complicated answer will work...any data is good data.

Rubber compound softness, sidewall stiffness, tire pressures used, grip, handling balance, weight, fit on the wheel, actual width, pictures, etc.

Thanks!
LSJ
Lash, I've never found suitable tires front & rear from the same mfgr for 8" & 10" Campys, so I've ALWAYS run 'mismatched' combinations for both track and road. For a year, we ran Hoosier DOT belted-bias rears (275-50) and Yokohama radials (225-50) up front on a 450-horse Pantera, in both street and autocross. Zero handling problems once we figured out that belted bias tires need air pressures lowered to tune while radials need pressures increased to tune. We won more events than we lost that year but the Hoosiers were scrap after 1000 miles. They were DOT legal with a ZERO tread wear rating.

I don't advise running mismatched combos across the car- eg- one radial and one belted-bias each sidem on the front or rear. Weird, uncontrollable things may happen. But front-to-back= no problem.
Boss, great reminder.

Anyone else with data on widebody Pantera tire combinations?

If you already have a set of Yoko and P Zero 345s, what possibilities work on the front? 285 front Yokos are very hard to find.

I'm inclined to try the Pirelli P7 Corsa Classic in the D3 (harder) compound.

Thanks,
LSJ
I dont know that the Pirelli Corsa is available in the US and it looked to me like a race tire with minimal tread. The Michelin was readily available and has a nice tread pattern for the street.

They also handle quite nicely.

Bought them at Summit Racing who gets them from Coker.
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Originally posted by Panterapatt:
Michelin MXW 255/45-15. The width difference is negligible. 285's do not exist anymore.

Tire Rack has date code 345's for $125. a tire on sale right now.


Thanks for the tip on the 345's. That is a great deal. I just ordered two of them. The sales rep stated that have a 2012 mfg. date and and have a warranty on them.

I have considered the new 285 P7 Corsa's as well. At least the fit would be correct.

Longstone Tyres might carry them.
I am going to try a set of P7 Corsas at some point and will report the results.

I may also do the same with the Michelin MXW also.

I wish Yokohama would reproduce the 285.

In the meantime, the Michelin TBs and the Avon slicks (with grooves cut) are the instant, "turn-key" options that will produce high performance on the street.

I am hoping for more than just those two options.

LSJ
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Originally posted by lashss:
I am going to try a set of P7 Corsas at some point and will report the results.

I may also do the same with the Michelin MXW also.

I wish Yokohama would reproduce the 285.

In the meantime, the Michelin TBs and the Avon slicks (with grooves cut) are the instant, "turn-key" options that will produce high performance on the street.

I am hoping for more than just those two options.

LSJ


I had emailed Yokohama about their AVS tires awhile back. I had asked them how many buyers would they need to consider producing them again. The courtesy reply thanked me for the interest in their products and that was it. Never heard back with regards to the same question from Pirelli.
My car is to low, my headlights are not legal, no windshield wipers, my engine is not legal, the front window screen is not legal, and I could go on, but, when I get pulled over by the police, which is rare, they have never checked my tires for legal papers??? They always want to know how fast is it? Can we see the engine? How much is it worth? Now I don't argue, I produce my registration and drivers license and I smile.
Cop's are car guys to, don't get overly paranoid.
Just wondering... Has anyone ever approached Pirelli or Coker to see if they would be willing to produce a run of 285's and 345's?
I'm assuming that Coker is in the business of buying molds from tires that are no longer being produced and then producing small runs of them.
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Originally posted by Dr.Oldsmobile:
Just wondering... Has anyone ever approached Pirelli or Coker to see if they would be willing to produce a run of 285's and 345's?
I'm assuming that Coker is in the business of buying molds from tires that are no longer being produced and then producing small runs of them.


Yes. Emailed Yokohama with a courtesy reply from them, thanking me for the interest in their company.

I did speak with someone from Pirelli asking the same question that I had asked Yokohama. The rep said that he would discuss it with his boss. I never heard back from them.

I was hoping that one of the companies might produce those sizes if they had enough interest in them.
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Originally posted by Dr.Oldsmobile:
Just wondering... Has anyone ever approached Pirelli or Coker to see if they would be willing to produce a run of 285's and 345's?
I'm assuming that Coker is in the business of buying molds from tires that are no longer being produced and then producing small runs of them.


The Pirelli 345's are readily available and produced in batches to satisfy the Lamborghini Countach demand. Tire rack have them in stock for $590 ea. Unfortunately you just missed the deal of the century as they were selling off 2012 dated tires for $128 ea. over the past couple weeks.

It's the 285's that are impossible to find.
Ordered 15" Michelin TB5Rs (265s and 335s) for our wheels from Longstone Tyres in the UK.

They showed up in 4 days!

They were not cheap, but were an instant solution. Also, the tire is modern and grippy.

The "problem" era for finding 15" tires is over.

LSJ
I have been experimenting with tire options for the 15x10 wheels.

Toyo's R888 and R888R are available in a 235/50-15 size. While this may sound narrow for a 10" wheel, they have a measured section width of 9.8".

Thus, when mounted on a 15x10 wheel, they do not look very stretched.

With a treadwear rating of 100, they present a possibility for the 345mm P Zero System on the rear with a 140 treadwear rating.

I have had this combination installed for about 400 miles now and the performance is excellent.

Lateral grip is outstanding with almost perfectly neutral balance. There are no issues with rubbing or clearance. Tire pressure tuning is critical as the factory recommendations will no longer apply. I found that 32 psi fr and 37 psi rr yielded the best overall grip and tread temperature under high speed testing.

If you need a brand new, ultra high performance tire option for sustained high speed driving, there is now a new tire option.

I was lucky enough to procure some closeout 345mm P Zero Systems from Tire Rack last year at a deeply discounted price. Matched with these Toyos, this combination could also be the least expensive by quite a margin.

It is getting easier and easier for us to run our original lightweight wheels today.

LSJ
I have never heard of Achilles tires, but they look good. And so cheap! Wow...

Have you done any high speed or track testing?

I like the Toyos due to their extensive racing development. They also wear like iron despite their very sticky compound.

I will post some pics on the 15x10 wheel. They look very similar to the Achilles in terms of fit.

With all of these options, it is a great time to be running 15" wheels.

LSJ
Hi Jack,
The front spoiler was on the car when I bought it long time ago. I don't remember the Brand name but you can call one of the vendors and find out. Also, coming back to the subject of tires, these Achellis are street legal track tires for dry weather. According to the manufacturer their wet grip is below average so it is not recommended to drive on these in heavy rain. It does not matter to me since I never drive my car in rain.
Shah

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I was searching for 15 inch tires on the internet and found these. I had not heard about them either but, they had good reviews on Miata forums. They were inexpensive so, I decided to give it a try. I just had these installed and they seem to have decent grip and are not noisy. I have not done any high speed testing. Also, they have a 140 rating so they should last for a while.

Shah
I have read some info on the Achilles on the Miata and drift forums. The initial impressions seem to be good. According to the manufacturer, they tried to match the Toyo R888 which is a great benchmark.

With the low pricing, it could be a great option especially if you aren't concerned with all out performance.

I cannot find the official specifications anywhere though. I would like to see the recommended psi range, min and max wheel widths and section width.

LSJ

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